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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

PYSTAR's REBEL EFI

do u know any details if u can use this to install multiple OS on a single boot partition? or would you need separate individual partitions for each OS?
 
Gunleik Groven said:
Looks rather neat..

http://www.jmr.com/storagetechnology_html/PeSanPcieRaid.html

You using this Mark?

What's the price of a box like this?

G
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We are testing JMR systems - cooking up a screaming one with them for Scratch 5.0 w/RED Rocket™™ - hoping to show it off at a special Assimilate event taking place on November 6th at Offhollywood as part of our "November Grand Opening Month".

If you want to attend that Assimilate event in NYC on Nov. 6th shoot an email to Lucas or Clint (at) assimilateinc.com

we are also testing away with 1 Beyond on some new portable workstations we are going to start taking into the field and using for 3D- I'll be posting about that in a few weeks - http://www.1beyond.com/index.asp

JMR isn't super cheap ... it's just super good. The more systems we test - the more we find you get what you pay for. There is no price yet on the system we are testing - it has not been released yet.
 
Gavin Greenwalt said:
Hahaha. You're pissed at a company breaking some guy's eula... on software which breaks someone else's eula. Let's be consistent.
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Psystar is trying to do Apple a favor. You'd think after 30 years, Apple would realize that fences keep more people out than they keep in. Look at the iPhone, how much money is going to be made by "other companies" copying Apple's smart phone design and launching it on other providers?

I love Apple but seriously, REBEL EFI requires that you own a full and legitimate copy of OS X. Their lawyers obviously think they have a strong case or they'd never continue this charade and even up the ante like this.

I guess we'll see soon enough. I for one hope they prevail because it will force Apple to keep up with the latest Pro hardware, storage options, graphics cards, and heh, maybe even Blu-Ray, hmm. Ya think?

-michael zaletel
 
There's no such thing as a "Full Legitimate Copy of OSX". Every copy of OSX is an upgrade copy in disguise since they require you to already have an Apple computer (which ships with a copy of OSX).

Personally I think Apple is getting what they deserve. They're trying to play the PR Game that a 'full copy' of Snow Leopard only costs $30 while also trying to stop OSX unofficial installs because it isn't being done as an upgrade to Apple hardware.

Or at least that's my theory on Apple's position. They don't really want to win the case against Psystar because then they would have to admit that their product is an upgrade not a full copy. But they don't want everyone just building their own system either so they want to leave the cloud of FUD about.

Apple could shut down this case in 1 day by releasing a $700 copy of Snow Leopard for "Full Install" and relabel mac disks as an upgrade disk. Upgrades are a well established legal precedent and the price split would kill the home brew community. But it would also be a toxic move because they would lose all their misleading advertising against Windows being so much more expensive.
 
Gavin Greenwalt said:
Hahaha. You're pissed at a company breaking some guy's eula... on software which breaks someone else's eula. Let's be consistent.
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Pystar are profiting off somebody else's code without crediting them, and violating their copyright... They're also ripping their customers off, selling them something they could get free of charge without really providing anything extra. I see those as a lot worse than the program that lets somebody run software they've bought on a different computer.

michael zaletel said:
Psystar is trying to do Apple a favor. You'd think after 30 years, Apple would realize that fences keep more people out than they keep in.?
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I really don't think Apple cares - selling one computer probably gets them as much profit as selling 15 copies of Mac OS X, and given Apple's financial results, their strategy is working pretty damn well.
 
michael zaletel said:
Psystar is trying to do Apple a favor. You'd think after 30 years, Apple would realize that fences keep more people out than they keep in. Look at the iPhone, how much money is going to be made by "other companies" copying Apple's smart phone design and launching it on other providers?

I love Apple but seriously, REBEL EFI requires that you own a full and legitimate copy of OS X. Their lawyers obviously think they have a strong case or they'd never continue this charade and even up the ante like this.

I guess we'll see soon enough. I for one hope they prevail because it will force Apple to keep up with the latest Pro hardware, storage options, graphics cards, and heh, maybe even Blu-Ray, hmm. Ya think?

-michael zaletel
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Apple tried that 15 years ago, didn't care for it, and exited the business of licensing their OS to clone HW makers.

-sc
 
Gavin Greenwalt said:
There's no such thing as a "Full Legitimate Copy of OSX". Every copy of OSX is an upgrade copy in disguise since they require you to already have an Apple computer (which ships with a copy of OSX).

Personally I think Apple is getting what they deserve. They're trying to play the PR Game that a 'full copy' of Snow Leopard only costs $30 while also trying to stop OSX unofficial installs because it isn't being done as an upgrade to Apple hardware.

Or at least that's my theory on Apple's position. They don't really want to win the case against Psystar because then they would have to admit that their product is an upgrade not a full copy. But they don't want everyone just building their own system either so they want to leave the cloud of FUD about.

Apple could shut down this case in 1 day by releasing a $700 copy of Snow Leopard for "Full Install" and relabel mac disks as an upgrade disk. Upgrades are a well established legal precedent and the price split would kill the home brew community. But it would also be a toxic move because they would lose all their misleading advertising against Windows being so much more expensive.
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Apple's business model is built on having closed, vertically integrated systems. There are fewer drivers in OSX because there's less hardware to support, and this streamlines the OS and its production, improves stability and speed, and allows Apple to keep early code secret without fear of upsetting hardware vendors. And this secrecy gives them a competitive edge with hardware and software, and it facilitates an unbelievable cohesiveness and clarity of user experience (which, ultimately, is the selling point of their products). Every bit of Apple's business is based on this closed model and attitude--from their computers (in terms of technology and aesthetics), to the iPods, to the app store and iTunes store.

You could make the argument that had they chosen an open OS model, they'd have succeeded over Windows many years ago, but that OS war was over a decade ago. Apple is currently doing incredible business with a strong line of innovative products, and they've built a ridiculously valuable and "cool" brand--something Dell and Microsoft will never have. Steve Jobs' entire approach to design is based on dictatorial power and the idea of creating products around a specific user experience (rather than a set of specs or features), something unachievable under a more open or more strictly horizontal business model. It's too bad Apple doesn't provide all the features you want and you may have to buy a PC if that's what you need, but Apple not opening up their OS isn't a matter of FUD or marketing, it's a matter of the company's most basic tenets and its core business model, something which their market cap proves is working.
 
I didn't say anything about features. I talked about pricing. Apple has been insinuating that their PRICING on OSX is an example of them doing their customers a favor while Microsoft is charging too much. That marketing is BS because they're selling an upgrade copy and comparing it to the price of a full copy. Apples to Oranges. But Apple is trying to make the argument that they're both Oranges.

The FUD is that if you install OSX on your PC it'll explode or you'll be sued. I'm not telling them that their horizontal or vertical business strategy is right or wrong. I'm just complaining about their hypocrisy in simultaneously trying to sue those who install OSX on other computers while simultaneously claiming that they're selling a "Full Copy of OSX". One of the other is true. Either they are selling a full copy of OSX in which case I can install it wherever I damn well please. Or they're selling me a discount upgrade copy which is only licensed to run on a Mac and Apple has a legitimate legal case to stop people from installing it.
 
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