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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

New Reel... helmet on.

Pietro Impagliazzo said:
I found this particular shot truly amazing:

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Who shot this? Who was the DP? Which film?

The other shot from the same movie after this (the tilt down) is also great.
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That was shot by Scott Duncan for the WEC.
 
Fran Kuhn said:
Hi Caesare,

I've seen the promos (and dozens of billboards in Los Angeles) so I'm aware of this film. I agree, the look is perfect for this one. But so many of the images I've seen made by RED and other electronic cameras look like CAD drawings that I was starting to get worried that's all these cameras are capable of producing. (I mean, the Knowing trailer looks like a Maya rendering. No, wait, Maya renderings have better skin tones, LOL.) Turns out, as evidenced by the camel shot at the end of the reel, that that's not the case.

I have seen the same thing in the stills world since the digital takeover, people tend to go overboard with the sliders in the RAW processing IMO. Not my taste, but it's good to know you can get so many looks from one camera.

BTW there is one guy in particular who posts here, MaGregor, who seems to be able to get a really beautiful image out of RED One. At some point I'll actually get around to using a RED and seeing for myself.

-Fran
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There are a number of factors of why some RED footage looks "plastic", "CG", "Not Organic". In my opinion, a lot of it has to do with the developing and subsequent post manipulation. In some cases, it's overly used noise reduction with aggressive sharpening, in other cases it could be a combination of effects filters being used.

In terms of skin tones, I have seen enough well shot footage at this point to know that skin tones can look great with RED. But, it does take some understanding of RED's color spaces and also comes down to what it has always come down to - lighting and makeup. That's why you can't ignore tungsten because it still has a place in cinematic lighting.

There are many more reasons why footage shot with RED could end up looking artificial. I contend that those who understand how to get the most out of the camera, know how to avoid getting that look unless it's intentional.
 
Steve is right.. alot of stuff looks plastic right now ( RED or not RED ) because that is kinda in style right now.... both in film and print. I am sure it will pass :)
 
Jarred Land said:
Steve is right.. alot of stuff looks plastic right now ( RED or not RED ) because that is kinda in style right now.... both in film and print. I am sure it will pass :)
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Yeah tell me about it, they all want fake girls :) here I'm studieng my A$! off to learn all the trick in the book to make HIgh end photo realistic images and they want PLASTIC, cause they say "Life in Plastic is Fantastic"

Sorry couldn't help the last one :)
 
KETCH ROSSI said:
Yeah tell me about it, they all want fake girls :) here I'm studieng my A$! off to learn all the trick in the book to make HIgh end photo realistic images and they want PLASTIC, cause they say "Life in Plastic is Fantastic"

Sorry couldn't help the last one :)
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Dave Hill has a lot to answer for:)
 
You can still do sick imagery without the brushing of the air look "Plastic". I've been a still photog for a few years but my workflow is now changing to incorporate Reds modular offerings. The same principles I use to retouch skin on my site in CS4 is similar to how I grade in cinema.

Dave Hill doesn't do the HDR. He does a lot of compositing. Setting up each shot, lighting, etc so that post would just bring out post.

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Gabriel Scindian said:
You can still do sick imagery without the brushing of the air look "Plastic". I've been a still photog for a few years but my workflow is now changing to incorporate Reds modular offerings. The same principles I use to retouch skin on my site in CS4 is similar to how I grade in cinema.
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I try to steer away from doing those looks, but unfortunately you have to deliver what the clients ask for, and now that is what they want, but for my own stuff and those shoots that I'm in charge of, which will be more and more in the feature, I try and stay to a very Photorealistic and more natural cinematic look my self, I love the baby skin look, but not over Photoshopped, to the point of loss of skin detail.

RED has sure changed my perspective in both Still and motion image capture, and the Epic will sure rock the way I will do things in the feature.
 
Y'know what's weird?

Y'know what's weird?

I pop the vid on a thumb drive and stick in my xbox 360.

The countdown plays, the redband "warning" plays and then.....it says that it's in a format not playable on my 360.

How the hell can that be? It just played the beginning of the damn vid. It's not like the format of the file changes when you get to Red footage.

geez. I hate technology sometimes.

Oh, and my desktop is too old to play it smoothly so now I'm going to try my wife's laptop.

Yeah. Maybe that'll work.

/rant

ian

Superb footage and I have to agree with what others have posted.

That is one sexy camel at the end.
 
Yep! Epic will be an amazing system. I hope it's released soon. It will be a super Christmas present that I'll open early. I'm still learning the cinema side of things.
 
Jarred Land said:
Steve is right.. alot of stuff looks plastic right now ( RED or not RED ) because that is kinda in style right now.... both in film and print. I am sure it will pass :)
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Yeah...i hope so :)

BUT...at the end, the desert scenes are just BEAUTIFULL!

Antoine
 
Ian Slessor said:
I pop the vid on a thumb drive and stick in my xbox 360.

The countdown plays, the redband "warning" plays and then.....it says that it's in a format not playable on my 360.

How the hell can that be? It just played the beginning of the damn vid. It's not like the format of the file changes when you get to Red footage.

geez. I hate technology sometimes.

Oh, and my desktop is too old to play it smoothly so now I'm going to try my wife's laptop.

Yeah. Maybe that'll work.

/rant

ian

Superb footage and I have to agree with what others have posted.

That is one sexy camel at the end.
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Howdy Ian, you converted it to mp4 ok? I'll have to try when I get home with the RED reel. Usually I'll download the quicktime trailers and convert to mp4 and play on the xbox - which works just dandy. The thing that stinks about that is the silly h264 codec is HORRIBLE with gradients and so things tend to band pretty bad with the original quicktime they provide for download. Anywho, I'll try when I get home tonight.
 
Brian Harbauer said:
Howdy Ian, you converted it to mp4 ok? I'll have to try when I get home with the RED reel. Usually I'll download the quicktime trailers and convert to mp4 and play on the xbox - which works just dandy. The thing that stinks about that is the silly h264 codec is HORRIBLE with gradients and so things tend to band pretty bad with the original quicktime they provide for download. Anywho, I'll try when I get home tonight.
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Hey Brian,

No conversion. Just popped it on a thumb-drive and it played...right up until the RED footage starts. It's a single .mov file. Why would the 360 play the first 15 or so seconds and then say that it's an invalid format?

Weird.

Managed to watch it on my wife's laptop.

Nice footage.

Now let's see what people can do with Scarlet. :D
 
Ian Slessor said:
Hey Brian,

No conversion. Just popped it on a thumb-drive and it played...right up until the RED footage starts. It's a single .mov file. Why would the 360 play the first 15 or so seconds and then say that it's an invalid format?

Weird.

Managed to watch it on my wife's laptop.

Nice footage.

Now let's see what people can do with Scarlet. :D
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I just didn't even realize that it supported playing .mov to begin with. It's interesting that it would play part of it though. I'll still try the conversion and see if that works.
 
AMAZING!!!

(btw, I've just got back from Amsterdam after a week of so much fun and parties!).
 
Jarred Land said:
Steve is right.. alot of stuff looks plastic right now ( RED or not RED ) because that is kinda in style right now.... both in film and print. I am sure it will pass :)
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Hi Jarred,

Yeah, I agree. I do think it's a style. Unfortunately, it's really taking over everywhere, especially stills. One of my favorite photographers, Dan Winters, recently made the jump from 4x5 film to the Canon 1Ds Mark III. His lighting is still impeccable, but there's now some magic missing from his portraits that he had when he was exclusively 4x5 film. Also, take a look at the portraiture of Norman Jean Roy if you want to see what I mean. NJR shoots mostly medium format with an old Mamiya RZ67. He is IMO the best editorial/ad shooter out there today. Check out the Katherine Heigel Vanity Fair shots. http://www.art-dept.com/artists/roy/


Anyway, that last part of the new RED reel, the dunes/camel, should be up front IMO. It really gave me a lot of confidence in the camera's ability to produce something more organic looking. Really just amazing, lovely work. And Mr. MacGregor's stuff has always been really great, too, maybe get some of that footage for the next round.

-Fran
 
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