FF35?

[Osman Karaca]

Scarlet FF35 vs. Epic FF35

Scarlet FF35 $9750

Epic FF35 $33000

Why?

Thank you...

 

[Justin O'Neill]

Scarlet FF35 max framerate = 72fps.

Epic FF35 max framerate = 350fps.

Framerates cost money.

 

[Lawrence Bansbach]

As do higher data rates. FF35 Scarlet will have Redcode 100, whereas FF35 Epic will support Redcode 225.

 

[Robert Jackson]

Scarlet FF35 max framerate = 72fps.

Epic FF35 max framerate = 350fps.

Framerates cost money.

To be fair, though...72 fps isn't too shabby. I used to have a Beaulieu Super-8 camera that would run up to 80 fps. In one of my little student films we shot at that rate to slow the slide down on an automatic so you could watch the slide kick back and the shell eject. Unfortunately our blank gun would eject several unspent shells along with the one that had just fired. Our best try we managed to get it with just two shells ejecting. You can see that here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/r_jackson/2680979694

That's faster slo-mo than most 16mm cameras will do. An Aaton LTR tops out at 54 fps, if I remember right. My little Canon Scoopic will shoot at 64 fps. A standard Arri SR goes to 75 fps. Going beyond that requires renting an SR High Speed and that will get you up to 150 fps, if I remember right. I've never used one.

72 fps for a big sensor at 6K is amazing, even if it's just for a couple of seconds. I don't know how long the bursts will be in burst mode, but it's not like you need a really long take at that rate. I mean, the Epic is certainly looking like a force of nature, but even the humble Scarlet sounds pretty powerful to me.

 

[Gavin Greenwalt]

But 72fps is burst isn't it? There's some talk that burst might be less than 1-2 seconds.

 

[Robert Jackson]

But 72fps is burst isn't it? There's some talk that burst might be less than 1-2 seconds.

Even a couple of seconds is really useful. You can get that shot of a door being kicked in or a glass shattering on the floor...or a cheap blank gun ejecting a string of shells. :crying:

Not like you have to wait for the camera to come up to speed like high-speed film cameras. Depends on whether a couple of extra takes and a little more rehearsal is cheaper than renting a real high-speed camera. In most small productions I'd imagine it will be.

 

[Lawrence Bansbach]

But 72fps is burst isn't it? There's some talk that burst might be less than 1-2 seconds.

As well as being the burst rate at 6K for the FF35 Scarlet, the 72 fps is also the maximum sustained rate at 2K (just as the 350 fps for the FF35 Epic is the maximum sustained rate at 2K). As for burst rates, nothing is official, but the maximum duration of the 150-fps burst on the 2/3-inch Scarlet was mentioned as being about 5 seconds; I assume -- and I may be wrong -- that a similar duration is true for the FF35 Scarlet.

 

[David Rasberry]

The FF35 does according to announced specs offer short bursts up to 72fps/350fps at full 6k resolution. Continuous recording at 2k though.

 

[Stephen Gentle]

Another thing is that Epic has ramping on camera, and that it has a lot more formats it can shoot. Add to that the ability to shoot much higher frame rates, the higher quality codec...

We only have a few vauge details at the moment as well. It could be that there are many more features and capibilities that widen the gap between the Epic and the Scarlet.

 

[Gavin Greenwalt]

It could also be every single spec changed in the last 6 months. We just don't know much of anything at this point.

 

[Emanuel A.]

Too distinct markets. That's why. If you'd be a manufacturer and you'd sell to 10x 15x 20x many people, you'd get a higher income and lower production cost, right? So, you could sell your product for less. As Jim is used to say, it's not rocket science. Economies of scale come in behalf of all, supplier and customers.

The point is to know the Jim's mind about the matter today (who is in charge to interpret the market). If you'll cross the internet nowadays it isn't necessary to own a camera company in order to understand a new panorama outside, a new revolution called DSLR on motion. J. Jannard has been well aware of it with the introduction of DSMC. Company's moves on last November and December were already a response to that. But isn't this revolution coming even ahead the most progressive expectations? 5D Mark II, for instance, is still sold out in so many geographies -- a year after its announcement.

Note: I had seen another post here, deleted in the meantime. Here's mine anyway.