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Two videos shot on RED, different resutls!

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Ellie Nasaf

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Hello everybody,

I know this question may sound a bit basic and so beginner, but it's just something that I would like to know :)

I was looking on youtube for some videos shot on RED and saw some pretty amazing stuff, but others weren't that good.

for example this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFCfWuQRpm4

you can clearly tell that it was shot on digital camera as it doesn't have that "film look" to it

but if you check this one for example
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2si6y_y3A8

you can't tell whether it's was shot on 35mm or on digital camera, but it's a red footage!

and of course i add 'crossing the line' among red masterpieces.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGu3Ftgb82s

so what makes that film look so digital while the others looking stunning? Although both shot on the same camera

is it the lighting? I've seem some videos shot on available light and still look like film.

color correction? or filters?

I would really like to hear some input on this ..


thanks
 
It's not a vending machine - you don't put in a quarter and get the "RED" look in an easy-to-open wrapper.
 
Well one was shot at night, with a very vivid grade and an open shutter. Which would account for the video look.

The other was well lit, had a flatter grade and probably 180º shutter.
 
I think you should be aware that the Red is capable of a whole host of different "looks", perhaps it would be a good idea to define what stunning looks are to you, or perhaps just to ask what it is that defines a cinematic "look".
 
The one that looks video-ish is because of the shutter angle. They shot at 1/24 which is an open shutter. Shooting at 1/48 (or 180) makes things look much more filmic. If you read the comments below the video he says he shot at 1/24 because he needed more light and if he had a faster lens he would of shot at 1/48. It is funny they used that video to advertise their rentals for Red One.... because it doesn't do them justice.
 
Ellie Nasaf said:
of course! How about some tips on what DOP do to create stunning looks? :)

that would be a useful answer :)
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I was only pointing out that you seem to be concentrating on the technology and the camera as being responsible for specific looks, when you should look towards the people using that technology as the primary factor. Sorry if you didn't find that "useful."
 
For the first one, I think the single 5000K light doesn't cut it. It is too blue and an unrealistic amount of softness to fit the scene. (Too soft to be from a street light, too hard to be ambient fill). Also, with all of the practical lights in the shot, you would expect some of them to be lighting the side and/or back of her head.

Also, I think the second one has CC curve that is lifted some about 3/4 of the way to the highlight end, to more closely duplicate the highlight response of film.

The second one also may have more diffusion (possibly added in post).

Anybody else agree with these thoughts?
 
Wesley Scoggins said:
I think the first video looked pretty darn good, it would have been nice to see it in at least HD rather than YouTube's compressed HQ version, but from what I could see it looked perfectly fine.
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It certainly is high quality. It just doesn't have a traditional cinema look. I think Ellie was wondering what causes that difference.
 
Thank you everybody for the input, it opened my mind to new factors I wasn't considering ..


mmost said:
I was only pointing out that you seem to be concentrating on the technology and the camera as being responsible for specific looks, when you should look towards the people using that technology as the primary factor. Sorry if you didn't find that "useful."
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Don't get me wrong my friend, I always say it's all about who stands behind the camera, not the camera itself. I come from still photography background and I totally understand that.

However, even tho it's mostly dependent on the artistry of the DP, there are what's called, tricks of the trade, some technical info that you can learn and boos up the quality of your work, this is what i was asking about.
 
I haven't seen public enemies yet, but i loved Mann's previous films :)

Once again, thanks everyone!
 
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