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projectors: AX200U or X10?

Brandon Fraley

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For the projector people out there: I'm browsing projectors and noticed that Costco has the InFocus X10 fro what seems like a very reasonable $1300. I've been thinking of getting the panny AX200U for almost a year now, but the $300 difference has me thinking...

The X10 reviews make it sound mediocre in some areas and excellent in others, but it's considered a "budget" projector. And the AX200U has many rave reviews, but they were all written 2 years ago.

I can't find any direct comparison threads online, but my hunch is that "mediocre" X10 might very well outperform the "excellent" 2 year old AX200U.

Any thoughts?
 
Disagree. It is a personal choice. The rainbow effect doesn't bother me at all. As same as a lot of people who are used to this technology. It is a complete fallacy, not an universal truth. To me, DLP doesn't compare to LCD. I don't even consider a LCD projector vs. a DLP unit. All my 7 projectors are DLP. Is it necessary to say more on subject? :-)
 
The Sanyo Z series produce exceptional image quality in their price range and typically get excellent reviews. I have an earlier generation Sanyo that has been a pretty decent projector all around.
For DLP projectors if they tell you at all in the specs, you want a 6 or 7 segment color wheel instead of the usual 4 segment wheel found in most low end and business projectors. The better color wheels minimize the rainbow effect and produce a higher color contrast image with better gamut at the expense of some loss of brightness.
Never been a fan of Infocus projectors, they are very cheaply built.
 
i will say just personally that I have not witnessed the rainbow effect on any home theatre projector in the last 5 years or so. I also currently own an InFocus 4805 480p projector that was a budget DLP projector from I think 2004 and there's no rainbow issue. Although you can see it if you move things around in front of the projector, like waving you hand in front of the light, but as soon as you stop moving, you can't see it, and it's never seen on the screen.

so anyway, yeah, the LCD vs DLP thing isn't important to me. Anyone seen the X10?
 
So you're in a very good position...

(Presonally I see rainbows even on new high-end Barcos, as in the last film festival, where my movie was screening.)

I've seen the X10, it was very well designed (if you plan living room installation or you care about WAF), and it was projecting a good image BUT in a semi-controlled environment (not totally dark, not calibrated propably).
 
Whether I see the rainbow is almost completely random. I would just look at both projected and see if they cause problems.

I was under the impression though that most modern ones are rainbow free.
 
yeah, i guess it's possible that im just not sensitive to the rainbow effect, I havn't noticed it at all.

I'm really leaning to the X10 at this point. My thinking is that I still enjoy my old 480p projector, and the X10 will be 1080p, more than double the lumens, and higher contrast ratio, and 5 years of new technology. The only advantage I see with the AX200U is potentially black level, however brightness is important to me since I'm going for a 120" screen.

The only immediate thing I dislike about the X10 is that it's HUGE! it's twice as big and three times as heavy as my tiny, portable 4805! But even at 14 pounds, it's still easy enough to take to a buddy's house, etc if needed.
 
I have the x10 - and love it. fantastic for the price. Me and my friends highly recommend it. sure there is a slight rainbow effect if you look for it - as with the red evf. it doesnt bother me.
 
glad you vouch for it, Sid.

Since I'm leaning towards the X10 based on it's price, does anyone else have any other recommendations for projectors in the $1200 or cheaper range?
 
Joe G. said:
"It is a complete fallacy, not an universal truth. "

So, because you personally don't mind it, you believe you have your own "universal truth" applicable to everyone else. Anyone who disagrees has fallen for a "complete fallacy."
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Like a lot in politics, it just seems apparently well seen but it actually is a poor conclusion. No more, no less. :-( When you took out the words of the mouth of someone else, first, as quoter you should take the context too, among other aspects which I won't comment over here in any way other than the fact that's not nice (not even friendly) to take easy assumptions about what the others believe or not believe. At least, so quick, on the edge of a slight inference on your own. I see you have a political blog so the responsability increases [*] de facto per se. In any way whatsoever, this is a friendly forum about technology, other methodologies from politics arena do not apply.

I was referring the 'rainbow effect'. Not applicable to people, as you are abusively writing from your thoughts (I can write it right now 'cause you're giving to me effective material for). It does seem it has produced some later posts so it should have brought any help to the discussion, after all.

That was the context of my comment:

If you see the rainbows, « then don't buy a DLP because it will get annoying while watching a movie ».

http://reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=439935&postcount=2

My point: A lot of people who are used to see them as myself, do not think the same (the 'fallacy' is there, the 'non-universal truth', as well). But quite the opposite and my add-on. I mean, not everyone who sees the rainbow effect will find it «annoying while watching a movie». As matter of fact, as Gavin summed up very well, calling it 'random rainbow'. Read other posts if you don't believe me.



* Speaks someone with more than a decade of comprehensive political studies in law school where this poster here got his five years degree and postgraduate research background.
 
Stelios Koukouvitakis said:
So you're in a very good position...

(Presonally I see rainbows even on new high-end Barcos, as in the last film festival, where my movie was screening.)
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Sorry, but "high-end" DLP projectors do not have color wheels!
They have 3 DLP chips. Color wheels are used on single DLP designs.
Of course, 3 DLP chip designs are 3x more expensive. You will not see the "rainbow effect" on a 3 DLP chip projector.

I don't really have a problem with the "rainbow effect" on most single chip DLP projectors. The average viewer won't either. I can see it. But most people will have no idea what your talking about.
 
Ryan Sims said:
Sorry, but "high-end" DLP projectors do not have color wheels!
They have 3 DLP chips. Color wheels are used on single DLP designs.
Of course, 3 DLP chip designs are 3x more expensive. You will not see the "rainbow effect" on a 3 DLP chip projector.
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the dude saw the rainbow effect, no need to argue with him. Since I started this thread, I'll make an executive decision and say no more talk of "rainbow effects". Feel free to continue discussing Projector models and your own experiences. and thanks again for everyone helping me out! :)
 
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