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Hey, I have a couple of RED bricks that have gone down. Having learned that RED wont touch the things (due to lithium ion and what not...new policy), I am now wondering where I am supposed to get them repaired. Any ideas?
 
Pretty much no one is going to recell Lion batts. I believe there is a very expensive federal license required to do so because of the fire hazards, and as a result of that, very few if any battery shops purchased the license.

It drives me nuts that you have a $500-$1000 disposable battery that is only going to last a few hundred cycles. I have over twenty Anton Bauer batteries sitting on chargers that I never use anymore, because I have discovered cheap ($180-$200) no Name batts. They out perform any battery I have ever owned.

Cheers,

Nick
 
The batts I use are made in china, with japanese cells. They charge on any varizoom, or swit type charger, I doubt they would charge on an anton bauer charger, but I may be wrong. They have auto cut off for too many amps in and out, auto shutoff for over charge and short. Basically they put all the smart stuff in the batts instead of the charger.

The magic number is

VSN092

Google that to find the best price.

or VSN090 for the dionic 90 size (around $100 US)

I use the AB gold mount system, but they are available in V-lock. You have to do your own interwebular legwork for those though.

Here's a few web sites, USA, UK, And Australia. Whats the exchange rate with Australia? I think the ones from there are free ;-)

http://www.batteries-store.com/camcorder_batteries/sony/vsn092.htm

http://www.aussie-battery.com/camcorder_battery/anton_bauer/vsn092.htm

http://www.exceldigital.org.uk/search.php?keywords=VSN092

I have ten of these and they are really great.

Cheers,

Nick
 
Nice find!

I love the GMP for their huge capacity, but those batteries you found (let's call them NONAME) get even more bang for the buck, or rather Ah per dollar:

GMP has 190Wh and costs 336 USD, thus 1 Wh costs 1.76 USD. Those I use, because they last so long.
GMP has also 160Wh batteries for 255 USD, 1 Wh ist down to 1.59 USD.
NONAME has 8.8 Ah, with 14.4V, meaning they have 126Wh, at 184 USD. 1 Wh here costs 1.46 USD.
NONAME also has some higher capacity batteries, at 132.5 Wh, but they are 2.12 per Wh.

GMP also offers a discount if you order for more than 1500 USD - and that is not tied to a single order, but over time.

So, from these calculations I would either go for the NONAME 8.8Ah if I was concerned about the total weight of my package - or running off a dual battery mount. Else I'd go for those beefy 190Wh from Global Media Pro :)

Now, it would be fun to compare actual running times on a R1, to see which really gives most usage per dollar, as producers tend to be a bit optimistic when handing out technical data.
 
Cheers for the battery tip Nick.

Nick Gardner said:
Whats the exchange rate with Australia? I think the ones from there are free ;-)
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....yeah before it was free, which we felt was taking the piss, nowdays we insist on an oatmeal biscuit....
Dave
 
Red Battery repair

Red Battery repair

I repair/Re-cell all Anton Bauer Battery Packs, have not had the opportunity to
check into a red battery pack yet.
If anyone has some dead packs that they would like to send me for testing/Repair/Re-Cell
I would be willing to do it on a trial basis at no cost.

I would be interested to see the actual circuitry used by red as all manufacturers use the same
industry standard internal cells, the only variation is the control and safety circuitry design (case design)

There is not a great variation between any major manufacturers actual cell since they are manufactured
in industry standard size, chemistry is any of the NiCd, NiMh, Li-ion.


Regards John Ritter 954-557-9765, siebold35@hotmail.com, www.ritterbattery.com
 
Dave Blackham said:
If your in the UK, theres a guy based at Pinewood does it and licenced to re-cell.

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Hi Dave - do you have website/contact details for the UK Pinewood guy?

Thanks
Eric
 
I repair Video camera batteries, have done over 800 Li-Ion packs, the majority being the Anton Bauer Dionics, the rest being IDX, Sony, Frezzi, Varizoom and an assortment of Chinese knockoff.
Been looking to get hold of a Red brick to evaluate and do a test repair on it.

If anyone has a bad one laying around and wants to send it to me I will do a couple for free to get some feedback on the results.

You can contact me at 954-557-9765, Email siebold35@hotmail.com, website: www.ritterbattery.com
 
Hello all

I wish to thank everyone that responded to the repair offer, I received an overwhelming response so
the free repair is no longer available.
I will be posting the results in the next few weeks as soon as the promised shipments arrive.

Regards John Ritter
www.ritterbattery.com
 
Update:

So far I have received 3 Red battery packs, 2 - 9.4AH & 1 - 10.4AH

Interestingly; all 3 packs use the same control board but 3 different manufacturer's cells: Sanyo, LG Chem, Samsung and 3 cell ratings: 2200, 2250, 2600

Also all 3 had either a pinched wire (manufacturer process) or a broken wire to the control board.
All of them were a simple repair, but resetting the on board EPROM requires that the balance leads be disconnected from the control board.

The longest part is, the time required to test the packs as discharge time varies from 2 hours to 5 hours and recharge is about 3-4 hours.

So I can say that the RED battery packs are repairable and can be Re-Celled, I will post the users experience after I send them back, still want to do a couple of rounds of cycle testing.

All 3 packs tested out at 70% or better of original capacity (I only tested to 5 amp load or 70 watts nominal)

Regards John Ritter
www.ritterbattery.com
 
New Update:

Well so far the count is, 8 Red Brick batteries that I have seen. (9.4 & 10.4AH)

All were completely repairable, minor broken wiring issue's, I have returned the last 3 today and await
feedback on the results.

So Yes the RED Battery is fully repairable and can be Re-Celled.

It seems to be a common problem after the first batch to cross my workbench, this kind of repair and test service will run about $50.00
including the return shipping (CONUSA only international would be additional).

If a full cell bank replacement is required (RE-Cell) this would run $240.00 per pack (Re-Cell would be to 10.4AH).

Regards John Ritter
www.ritterbattery.com
 
Martin's Battery Shootout? Yeah buddy, a lot of us could benefit from this comparison.



Martin Weiss said:
Nice find!

I love the GMP for their huge capacity, but those batteries you found (let's call them NONAME) get even more bang for the buck, or rather Ah per dollar:

GMP has 190Wh and costs 336 USD, thus 1 Wh costs 1.76 USD. Those I use, because they last so long.
GMP has also 160Wh batteries for 255 USD, 1 Wh ist down to 1.59 USD.
NONAME has 8.8 Ah, with 14.4V, meaning they have 126Wh, at 184 USD. 1 Wh here costs 1.46 USD.
NONAME also has some higher capacity batteries, at 132.5 Wh, but they are 2.12 per Wh.

GMP also offers a discount if you order for more than 1500 USD - and that is not tied to a single order, but over time.

So, from these calculations I would either go for the NONAME 8.8Ah if I was concerned about the total weight of my package - or running off a dual battery mount. Else I'd go for those beefy 190Wh from Global Media Pro :)

Now, it would be fun to compare actual running times on a R1, to see which really gives most usage per dollar, as producers tend to be a bit optimistic when handing out technical data.
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