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Hello..

Just saw the knowing at the cinema and I have to say, after seeing this and Che part1+2.. I feel that on darker scenes, like indoor scenes in the knowing, whenever there is a mid-tone green wall in the backgound, there is sooooo much grain dancing around in that area.. anyone else noticed that? it bothered me.. its not a good looking grain like film.. more like a noise..
I remember the indoor scene in Che, in the beginning when they are in the apartment talking, the grain was huge..
I love RED and i own one.. just curious as to what is going on?
 
You must have been searching hard. I didnt notice anything at all. I watched knowing yesterday because it just came out in New Zealand. None of my family notice anything different about it and said it looks just like any other movie. Meaning to them the quality was the same as film. This is what most audiences are going to think. Not everyone is a film fanatics and is going to be able to pick up on grain. I tried myself being a film maker and didnt notice anything.

Congrats Jim, you've made a cheaper alternative to film. Booohyaaa


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hi, well i felt the same way actually..looked great.. The grain was just the indoor scenes within the dark surrounding walls not on the actors or the props.. just on solid flat surfaces in the shadows.. just an observation
 
David Mullen ASC said:
I believe that first indoor dinner/apartment scene in "Che" (I think set in Mexico) was shot in Super-16, and look fairly "processed" (underexposed, pushed maybe).
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That is correct (I happened to be on the phone just now with someone who could confirm).
 
cinemano said:
hi, well i felt the same way actually..looked great.. The grain was just the indoor scenes within the dark surrounding walls not on the actors or the props.. just on solid flat surfaces in the shadows.. just an observation
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Did you watch it in a digital theatre or film?

I watched in a digital, perhaps there is more noise on the film out?
 
I personally thought the dark scenes in knowing looked amazing...
 
We have seen Knowing in a theatre here in The Netherlands and it looked awful.
The image was really flat and black wasn't black but something like 90% gray.

There was a trailer from X-men just before and that looked amazing, then the movie started and the contrast couldn't be more.

I don't think it is a digital cinema where we've been. But since everyone is excited about knowing it must be this specific theatre with a bad setup.
 
Saw Che Part 1 when it was released here in Glasgow (very short run) just before our RED ONE arrived. The first scene in the flat (the dinner party) I thought looked terrible was really worried for a few momments before we cut to a spectacular shot of the jungle and Che's head popping into frame. Amazing!

In our experiance here you do have to feed the camera a lot of light to reduce the significant noise but when you do the camera is capable of truly spectacular images. Even though we've had more than a few teething problems I don't think you could find better images at anywhere near the price point of the RED.

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I'm sure that the Che scene was shot in Super-16 and pushed hard, precisely to achive grain.
About Knowing, I saw it in a non digital theater and could hardly notice any noise... and trust me, I was looking for any flaw in the Red One, but, as I hoped, none turned out (in the Che 1 movie I could even see the "dark sun" effect in a car headlight shot and terrible noise in a blue wall on a day scene, but that's it... none of it was apparent in the second movie... hope this helps about the doubts.
 
BlueGirl Media said:
Saw Che Part 1 when it was released here in Glasgow (very short run) just before our RED ONE arrived. The first scene in the flat (the dinner party) I thought looked terrible was really worried for a few momments before we cut to a spectacular shot of the jungle and Che's head popping into frame. Amazing!
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As David mentioned earlier, the first dinner scene was 16mm.
 
David Mullen ASC said:
I believe that first indoor dinner/apartment scene in "Che" (I think set in Mexico) was shot in Super-16, and looked fairly "processed" (underexposed, pushed maybe).
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David, as you posted, it really was. So, no complaints as far as digital noise could concern.

EDIT -- I hadn't yet seen yours, Deanan.
 
I watched knowing the other day in a local cinema and thought it looked great, despite watching what could have been the worst, scratchiest print ever. Thought it looked great, and considering how dark a lot of the film was, didnt notice any noise.

Looking forward to seeing Che.
 
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