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RED Pro Primes vs. my vintage still lenses

Peter Majtan said:
This would be a little more appropriate...:

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:) Peter
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Hi Peter,

I like what you are doing here and also about RED Primes they are really no doubts top notch cine lenses.

Also I like to compare and using your shots to compare with vintage glass I owe because other guys with a real cine glass can do it soon anyway.

It's good to see sometimes those type of comparisons to keep eye on lens history and the latest development.

The last shot with the flower is amazing.
 
Hi Sanjin, thank You for the kind words, by all means You are also a very generous contributor to this forum. You live just 1 hr from my birth country (Slovakia) and I have visited Vienna too many times to count. I miss Europe quite a bit - especially since architecture is my semi-serious hobby.

We have shoot many more shots of these red flowers (and bees collecting nectar from them) together with Jarred, but they are all on his CF cards. The shot above is from a two takes I have done in the afternoon, but those R3D's are way to big (several GB's) to upload. I will try to get my hands on the CF's this weekend and see if there are any smaller R3D's so we can upload them for more accurate comparison...

Keep up the good work!

:) Peter
 
Hi Peter,

I've been several times in Bratislava and today even you can sit in a boat and drive by river Danube,

enjoy a landscape between the two cities that also were 100 years ago still part of one country and culture.

Also I keep here my intention sometimes to drop a footage shot with a vintage or a different glass that the most cine professionals are using today.

It's good to get overall view of many (glass) possibilities that RED1 can use.

And all the time trying to keep good work.

:beer: Sanjin
 
Hey Sanjin,

While you're at it, do you have any shots done with yor vintage lenses that might make for a good comparison with Mark Pedersen's pics of the hot chick up on the roof?

;-)
 
Hey Mitch,

I cannot afford any "hot chick" on my balcony here in Vienna at the moment because they are so expensive and also it is not making sense for my sort of testing.

Mark is somehow doing a bit advertising of his company and RPPs too but me not because I'm an ordinary and independent RED1 user/tester.

Also still no any footage, tiff or even R3D from Mark or something like a Peter Majtan did it.

But if I get something better then the flowers, drink bottles (water,wine & whisky) or similar (I mean "chiks"...)... I'll let you know here at the forum.


Here is the latest from today:

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Shot with Leica Summilux R 50mm f/1.4 @ f/3.4 on RED1, ISO 320, K5600, no filters, no CC,...
Download 4K tiff>>>


Leica_Summicron50mmF1-4_05242009_02.JPG

Shot with Leica Summilux R 50mm f/1.4 @ f/3.4 on RED1, ISO 320, K5600, no filters, no CC,...
Download 4K tiff>>>

Quick and dirty 1K test footage>>>

One more thing is that for the first time today my RED has got a bit "crazy" and started suddenly to swich off all day.

Now I have to figure out what is going on here...
 
Mitch Gross said:
Hey Sanjin,

While you're at it, do you have any shots done with yor vintage lenses that might make for a good comparison with Mark Pedersen's pics of the hot chick up on the roof?

;-)
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Mitch, that would be the "other" Mark L. Pederson. My last name is spelled "Pedersen" with an "e".

Hate to confuse anyone...

M
 
Sanjin,

To my eye, the bokeh on the Leica seems smoother—with a more consistent transition into out-of-focus areas...

How may blades are in the iris on the Leica?

M
 
Hi Mark,

"only" eight (8),

Leica_Summicron50mmF1-4_05242009_03.JPG

Leica Summilux R 50mm f/1.4 on RED1.

"Leica f/1.4/50mm,Summilux-R (I), 1970

The Summilux-R 1:1.4/50mm has been introduced at the Photokina 1970. It
constitutes a Wetzlar design and has an interesting performance profile. At full
aperture it is of slightly lower contrast than the M-version and its on axis
performance extends over a wider area. It also shows reduced astigmatism and field
curvature, giving it improved image quality. The M-version shows better flare
reduction thanks to the better correction of coma. On this level the designer has
clearly to balance requirements against possibilities. At 1:2 the Summilux-R improves
and is now as good and even a bit better than the Summicron-R (I) (higher contrast,
crisper rendition of fine details). Stopped down to 1:5.6 its overall performance is
improved visibly, thanks to a high contrast. The definition of very fine detail in outer
zones of the image field is a bit weak and brings in very fine detail with good clarity.

At this aperture the Summicron-R (I) has a larger focus shift, that reduces the
definition of small details at very big enlargements. During its production, the
Summilux underwent several detail changes in glass type, without altering its
fingerprint.

Around 1980 there is a change in production method, and lenses are no longer
classified in groups of focal length (as with the M-lenses), but a compensation
method is used to adjust the correct focal length with lens thicknesses and distances.
Elpro-close-focus attachments can be used with the Summilux-R without problems."

Quote from Leica-Book by Erwin Puts, pages 106-107>>>

Also somebody should buy 26 fine Leica R lenses that Leica AG ceased production at the beginning of this year

and make them all in cine FF35mm version... similar to that Arri/Zeiss did with compact primes...
 
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Just for grins, here is a sample photo taken with a Lumix G1 with c mount adapter and a 1970's vintage Taylor Hobson Sopelem 16mm zoom.
24mm FL @ f2.8.

Not in the same class obviously, but shows what premium vintage 16mm lenses can potentially do on a 2/3" Scarlet.
 
David Rasberry said:
Just for grins, here is a sample photo taken with a Lumix G1 with c mount adapter and a 1970's vintage Taylor Hobson Sopelem 16mm zoom.
24mm FL @ f2.8.

Not in the same class obviously, but shows what premium vintage 16mm lenses can potentially do on a 2/3" Scarlet.
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David,

very nice and I like it...
 
Not my photo. It was a sample sent to me for a lens I just bought at Ebay. It certainly clinched the sale!
 
Mark Pedersen said:
Mitch, that would be the "other" Mark L. Pederson. My last name is spelled "Pedersen" with an "e".

Hate to confuse anyone...

M
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Doh! I would have to do that.
 
Dogs vs. professional cine lenses

Dogs vs. professional cine lenses

Let's go back again to one of my favorite topics:

Dogs vs. professional cine lenses.

Who are the dogs and who are the professional cine lenses?

HERE: The dogs are here Leica R lenses and the professional cine lenses are RED Pro Primes.

Some of quick and dirty samples are available and I just put them together.

Peter Majtan did RPP Q&D test examples and I did Leica R test examples with Leica's (R&M) and almost at the same focal lengths...

Dogs:
Pros: Nice color rendrings and bokeh (Leica look), lens marks pretty accurate, sharp.
Cons: Breathing, bumping when focus starts like similar with the most still glass lenses
except the high end lenses like a Hasselblad, Leica S2, Zeiss/Contax middle format, etc, ...

RPPs:
Pros: Price and performance of those cine lenses still anbeatable, almost no breathing, sharp
Cons: Heavy weight, sometimes rendering and bokeh is not so nice but can be generally acceptable.

My RED1 with all those Leica R lenses were at 95cm distance from the closest bird flower...

Shot today morning about 9 AM, Monday, 25 May, 2009.

RED1 with RPPs distance to the blue flower is still unknown??!!

All processed in RA at 320 ISO, 5600K, no CC, no curves, ...

The sample photos and mixed clips can be found below:

LeicaElmaritR24mm_01.JPG

Shot with LeicaElmaritR24mm on RED1

RPP25mm_01b.JPG

Shot with RPP 25mm on RED1

Quick & dirty mixed footage1>>>



LeicaSummicronR35mm_01.JPG

Shot with LeicaSummicronR35mm on RED1

RPP35mm_01.JPG

Shot with RPP 35mm on RED1

Quick & dirty mixed footage1>>>
 
Hi Sanjik,

Is it rude to ask you how much were you going to sell your lens set for?

Cheers,

Julian

PS. It would be great to have a shoot with RPPs, Leicas and Nikkors. Are you crossing the pond any time soon?
 
It would be easier to tell difference if you shot the SAME flowers with the different lenses...

but man I love the bokeh of the RPP's
 
Julian Banos said:
Hi Sanjik,

Is it rude to ask you how much were you going to sell your lens set for?

Cheers,

Julian

PS. It would be great to have a shoot with RPPs, Leicas and Nikkors. Are you crossing the pond any time soon?
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Hi Julian,

at the moment I do not sell my Leica R set that should be actually enlarged with some other focal lengths...15, 19, 80, 135, 180, ...all f/2.8...

Tim Whitcomb said:
It would be easier to tell difference if you shot the SAME flowers with the different lenses...

but man I love the bokeh of the RPP's
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Maybe one day I can do it here at the same place... I'll count the next Spring as a real time...

Till then find more examples maybe at the other tests... sorry...
 
Tim Whitcomb said:
It would be easier to tell difference if you shot the SAME flowers with the different lenses...

but man I love the bokeh of the RPP's
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Ditto, it's very hard for me to tell differences when the lenses are shooting different things under different setups and circumstances
 
Terribly sorry guys,

but there were some "broken" links for the footage downloads and right now all is working!!!!!!!!!!
 
Also Sanjin - In the Blue Flower I kept moving the the camera so the frame is approximately the same. The distance from the flower ranged from app. 2' for the 25mm to app. 20' for the 300mm. The comparison posted above would go better with the Purple & Red Flower Bed (http://www.derylgroup.com/downloads/REDONE/LAGUNA/R3Ds/Flowerbed/), where I kept the camera stationary and as a result the frame got progressively closer and closer...

Would be great if we could pick a subject that we both have access to and execute a test in a controlled and (almost) identical conditions (background, lights, etc...). In fact this gives me an idea that I would like to work with You on:

Let's create such a test, so everyone out there with RED ONE can replicate the test with their own glass and we can keep comparing apples with apples. Talking about which:

Light - would have to be Sun of course. That would be the only light source we all share and have a access to. We would need to specify the AAH (related to time and location) and the relative sun position in regards to the subject.

Subject - I suggest a few common fruits and vegetables to cover saturated colors (such as red apple & tomatoes, yellow banana, green pear and bell pepper, orange carrot, etc...), something with neutral color but great texture (like a loaf of euro-style bread) and something with specular highlights (like textured glass full of water, steel cutlery, etc...)

What do You think?

:) Peter
 
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