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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Jvc 4k/8k

look's nice in the first place ... but i think we have to wait and see ...

if it beats the RED ? ... i don't think so! ;)
 
Did anyone see this camera at NAB? I took a look. It looked like a one-off prototype, and had a fibre cable to a hefty rackmount box of electronics to generate the 4 HD-SDI so you could view the image. It was live-view only - no recording and practically no controls on the camera itself. It seemed to be for video conferencing or medical applications...

Graeme
 
What tha ??
C'mon JVC I know the economy is tight, but surely you could have borrowed a designer from another department, it takes more that pixels to make me drool!
 
I'm very interested to see how this develops. I'm thinking there's got to be some sort of catch.......oh, but it's 80 grand, or oh..........it's not RAW.

Time will tell I guess.
 
I didn't attend NAB this year, but they had the same camera on display last year. Except it was housed in a bulky white metal box. Still had the fiber cable running to an external system that generated 4 x HD-SDI. I wasn't impressed then. It seems that all they have done in the past year is put it in a slightly more elegant, but still huge and butt-ugly, housing and now claim it can do 8K as well.

The Ultra-High-Def NHK stuff is far more interesting, IMO. And they have that camera down to a size that's almost manageable. Too bad the video quality is still horrid, apart from the resolution, but I hear it did improve since last year. Or maybe it's just because they had a much more elaborate NAB display this year to suck in more people.
 
There's no claim on the camera doing 8k. I think the 8k was a projector mentioned in the article, not a camera. The article seems to mix up cameras and projectors, and looking at the original article here: http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/new... projector and a 4k compact Video Camera.html it talks about 8k and 4k D-ILA projectors and a new 4K camera. You'd think they'd actually read the original article eh?? The headline "moviemakers drool" is not referenced anywhere, because it's just made up by the guy writing the article it would seem. Oh dear...

Graeme
 
Heh. I guess you're right, after I took the time to read it. Somewhat of a give-away that they're confusing projector and camera tech, when the engadget author says that the cameras use D-ILA technology.

Anyway, I don't think JVC is that serious about this technology yet. As far as I can tell, the only thing they did with it in the past year is put it in a slightly prettier box and make it a bit more visible at NAB this time around (or so it seems, I wasn't there).
 
the 8k projector sounds sweet, the design of the camera is sorta sexy to me... though a bit big.

we'll see how it develops but it doesn't seem it will be that big of a deal... unless they have some other killer specs in mind... that is plenty resolution for me.
And is the 8k projector coming out to support Red's cameras? Sounds like it would help make Epic 645 the new IMAX? something or other... :)
 
Graeme Nattress said:
Did anyone see this camera at NAB? I took a look. It looked like a one-off prototype, and had a fibre cable to a hefty rackmount box of electronics to generate the 4 HD-SDI so you could view the image. It was live-view only - no recording and practically no controls on the camera itself. It seemed to be for video conferencing or medical applications...

Graeme
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JVC seems to have not thought this through from a Post workflow standpoint. They are obviously feeling the heat in their HD only line of products. The industry is moving towards quad HD. It's hard to believe that just a few years back Pro SD cameras were selling for top $$$$.
 
Exactly - no word on workflow at all. It was for "live" applications only as far as I could see.

Moving images are no longer tied to a "standard" resolution, PAL / NTSC / HD etc. any more, and really, there's no reason why they should be and no good reason why delivery should be the same pixel dimension as acquisition.

Graeme
 
Cool. Hopefully they will put out a 4K version that can hit at least 60p.

RAW would be nice, too. But somehow I doubt they will have something in place like REDRAW. Probably just traditional baked-in looks, which is fine. Price is the big question.

Somehow I knew that the announcement would begin not long after NAB. These guys know they need to play catch up, and do it fast. Look for more announcements justs like this, probably from Canon and others, long before the next NAB.
 
Well, if they're basically putting four 1080P sensors in there to cheat 4K then there could be some problems. What if one of the sensors doesn't align properly or output the same image as the others? Isn't that what happened with the JVC HD100U when it first came out?
 
So it seems like JVC have built the world's greatest webcam!
 
Sam Winzar said:
So it seems like JVC have built the world's greatest webcam!
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My thoughts exactly. They've developed a camera that is more or less a $200K webcam. Their press release talks about teleconferencing and distance learning. Really? That's what you made this thing for? Hmmm. Odd.
 
From JVC's press release:
Other 4K cameras on the market, such as RED and Arri, are primarily used for cinema applications which do not require live signal output. This makes JVC the unique choice for high-end applications including:
  • Teleconference
  • CAD/Design
  • Distance Learning
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Since when is teleconferencing a more high-end application than filmmaking? That's a pretty strange way of trying to justify the ~$200,000 cost.
 
mhh there target marked is the live 4k feed. and i was thinking wouldn't it be possible to connect the red one with something like red ray over the service usb ports to get an live 4k debayering out of redray ?? the data rates of redraw should be able to be handelt by usb ? i dont know maybe i missed something. but i think if i got this correct the only thing that is preventing the red one to put out an live 4k image is the restriction of the processing power in the camera. but if you would outsource the debayering to something like redray or red rocket it should be possible to get an live 4k feed out.i dont know why somebody would do that but i think it would be possible. Graeme any comment on this ? :)
 
I think that on Fresh DV video from NAB they talked about 100K price point and now its 200K, wow. And next year release.... wow

http://www.freshdv.com/nab
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btw Sharp already had some glued 4 HD chip 4K cameras for 4K videoconferencing couple years ago.
 
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