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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

New RPP news...

That is great news Jim. Will the 18mm follow the 35 and 25 and top out at 5.5?
 
Bro Anansi said:
That is great news Jim. Will the 18mm follow the 35 and 25 and top out at 5.5?
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Not sure yet of the exact coverage, but it should be at least 5.5K.

Jim
 
Lee Saxon said:
Great news, Jim. The S35-format 300, 100, 85, & 50 mounted on FF35 should have field of view equivalent to ~ 230, 75, 65, 40 FF35-format lenses, right?
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I guess not. A 300mm is a 300mm anywhere you use it, so is a 50mm a 50mm whatever camera you put it on, if I understand correctly. You just see a wider angle of view on a FF35 6K than on a S35 Epic 5K. Others please chime in.
 
Key words are "acts like". A 50mm is a 50mm everywhere. But it "acts like" either a wide, normal or long lens depending on the sensor size.

Jim
 
April 28th: Tried to order prime set+300m entered CC# and I get this:
Error 500
Unknown server error

Anyone else experiencing this?! Trying to get my order in before the deadline!!!!

BBroz

Edit: Now Safari just hangs when I checkout:-( Maybe everyone is ordering right now?!
Edit 11:43PM PST: Changed checkout to wire transfer and still getting Error 500
 
I just tried to put a deposit on the RRP set. Same thing: unknown server error once I tried to confirm the order. It's 11:44 PM on April 28, California time. I assume that the deadline can be waived due to the server issues?

Matthew Verkler
 
Safari just hangs when I checkout.
Will keep trying...15 min to go!
:head_explode:

Edit: Works 11:49PM. Stressed but relieved:-)
 
AIO Films said:
Lee Saxon said:
Great news, Jim. The S35-format 300, 100, 85, & 50 mounted on FF35 should have field of view equivalent to ~ 230, 75, 65, 40 FF35-format lenses, right?
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I guess not. A 300mm is a 300mm anywhere you use it, so is a 50mm a 50mm whatever camera you put it on, if I understand correctly. You just see a wider angle of view on a FF35 6K than on a S35 Epic 5K. Others please chime in.
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Yeah, we're on the same page.

You're right, a 300mm is a 300mm in the sense that spatial compression and depth of field (and barrel distortion on a cheap 300mm but I'm sure not Red's!) characteristics would not change.

The wider angle/field of view is all I was referring to. What I was saying is that an S35-format 300mm lens mounted on a FF35 camera would give the same field of view as a FF35-format 230mm (if my math is right) lens mounted on a FF35 camera.
 
Wow! It just keeps getting better. Great news!

I am curious if this will have an effect on the Red Rocket spec of RT debayer and downconversion from 5k.
 
So if we're using a normal delivery aspect ratio 16:9 for instance and 10% look-around, we'll be cool on the the 24x36mm FF sensor with the Pro primes.

Nice !

Matt Uhry
www.mattuhry.com
 
Jannard said:
After finally getting a new lens projector and reticle that shows full frame 35mm, I am happy to report the the RPP 300mm, 100mm, 85mm and 50mm lenses cover 6K 2:1 on the FF35 with great resolution out to the edges. The 35mm and 25mm will cover about 5.5K on the FF35 sensor.

A little piece of good news for those that took a leap of faith on a set of RPPs.

Jim
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This is a great news as even so I'll be getting few Scarlets, as they come out, my intention is to get the FF35, and then move to the 645.

I absolutely love the RPP and can't wait to start shooting with them, it will be refreshing to show up at a High Fashion Photo Shot with those babes :)

ciao
 
AIO Films said:
I guess not. A 300mm is a 300mm anywhere you use it, so is a 50mm a 50mm whatever camera you put it on, if I understand correctly. You just see a wider angle of view on a FF35 6K than on a S35 Epic 5K. Others please chime in.
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I feel that this discussion is in the same ballpark as saying sensor size has an impact on DOF (and you aren't going to be able to please everyone on the issue). While technically it's the focal distance and lens aperture that effects the DOF, in order to maintain a specific field of view on cameras with different sensor sizes, the focal distance has to change. Therefore, even though there's no literal connection between sensor size and DOF, there's a hugely practical one and it's much easier to think in those terms.

When comparing field of view on a still camera, most photographers think in terms of FF35 coverage when referencing lens attributes. (Obviously this is not the case for medium and large format shooters; I'm just speaking generally). This is why it's really important to know the "crop factor" for your camera if it doesn't have a FF35 sensor, so you can quickly and easily determine how that lens is going to "act" on your particular camera body. Yes, a 50mm lens is always a 50mm lens, but it may "act like" an 80mm lens on your camera with a smaller sensor. The catch is, what we're really saying is that it acts like an 80mm lens would on a FF35 camera. There's more of a standard in place there to reference.

This whole discussion can be rather confusing without a standard in place to compare FOV values to. My guess is that most people would prefer to use the s35mm standard for cinema use, but as RED is opens the door for much larger formats and sizes with their new line of cameras that may change. So while a 300mm lens is always a 300mm lens, the effect of that lens can be dramatically different depending on what camera it is attached to. Thus, there's an important need to quantify exactly what FOV you will get for a particular combination of lens and sensor size, and this is where a FOV calculator comes in handy. You can Google it rather easily (though keep in mind that most FOV calculators online use the FF35mm negative size as a base), or use something like the iSee4K iPhone app to determine particular frame sizes.
 
Häakon said:
While technically it's the focal distance and lens aperture that effects the DOF, in order to maintain a specific field of view on cameras with different sensor sizes, the focal distance has to change. Therefore, even though there's no literal connection between sensor size and DOF, there's a hugely practical one and it's much easier to think in those terms.
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I agree, that always makes discussing this issue confusing. You'll have one guy who's talking about literally the same lens on two different formats and another guy who is talking about two different lenses with equivalent FoV and there's often little way to tell which one is which!
 
Shawn Nelson said:
And we need the FF35 brain to not be $33k for the brain alone :-).
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Yeah that would be nice. But I guess if you want to play big you got to pay big. We'll just have to see what happens when those FF35 models get closer to being a reality. Would be awesome if there was some kind of trade in for the Epic X to the FF35 Epic so we don't get whacked for the full price. I'm sure Jim has a couple surprises up his sleeves. But still the current deal to go from our Red One's to the Epic brains is unheard of.
 
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