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EPIC X FF 1080P: 1-60P better than Canon 5D MKII

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EPIC X FF 1080P: 1-60P better than Canon 5D MKII.

If i correctly understood that the EPIC X FF 1080 means DOF of S35mm and 1 -60p. DOF we all like so mutch as a DoP.
Is this correct?? NOT a part of the cmos will be used but a extract isn't?
Let me know!

Thanks Robert
 
I presume it's a 1/4 scaled version of the QuadHD the camera would record. So the camera would be doing the downscaling on the fly to 1080p from 5k(ish). So yes you'd have the DOF of S35mm and quality wise I'd be shocked if it wasn't better than the Canon 5D MKII.

However FF1080 on the FF35 or 645 epic might be different again since FF infers full frame and those two cameras have larger sensors you might have still camera sized 35mm which is bigger than S35 (With the FF35) and with 645 you'd have medium format sized footage being down converted in camera to 1080p.

I presume Red have included it to open up the post pipeline for shooters who know for fact they are only ever going to need a 1080P finish. It may also allow them to record with less compression on the footage perhaps.

Paul
 
PaulClements said:
I presume it's a 1/4 scaled version of the QuadHD the camera would record. So the camera would be doing the downscaling on the fly to 1080p from 5k(ish). So yes you'd have the DOF of S35mm and quality wise I'd be shocked if it wasn't better than the Canon 5D MKII.

However FF1080 on the FF35 or 645 epic might be different again since FF infers full frame and those two cameras have larger sensors you might have still camera sized 35mm which is bigger than S35 (With the FF35) and with 645 you'd have medium format sized footage being down converted in camera to 1080p.

I presume Red have included it to open up the post pipeline for shooters who know for fact they are only ever going to need a 1080P finish. It may also allow them to record with less compression on the footage perhaps.

Paul
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Hi Paul,

That will explain the limit to 60P in hte EPIC X

Thanks
Robert
 
comparing $2700 w/ $33,000.00 up up?.. :) :)
 
of course it will be better
 
If it isn't exponentially better... we don't deserve to be in business. Did you really ask that question?

100fps of REDCODE RAW (vs. 30fps only of some crappy codec), every possible format option you can imagine, modular lens mounts, real cinema modules, 1/20th the skew... I have to think you were joking. Right?

Jim
 
The 5D2 is starting to annoy me as well. Not because of the posts but because I've been trying to shoot with it this last week and aside from the fact that it won't do 24p, compact flash cards fill up a lot faster than Red Drives and the battery doesn't last long, the total lack of aperture, iso and shutter speed control make it more of a toy than a tool. I actually love my Red One more AFTER having owned the 5D2 for a bit and can only imagine how much more I'll love my EPIC on that fine day.

-michael zaletel
(shooter)
 
michael zaletel said:
compact flash cards fill up a lot faster than Red Drives and the battery doesn't last long
-michael zaletel
(shooter)
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The 5D2 can literally shooting for DAYS on a couple of $90 32GB Transcend CF cards and a pocket full of tiny batteries. With the grip you can shoot for like 6 hours straight on two walnut-sized batteries. There are many reasons to diss the 5D2, but portability, startup time, power and recording media are not points the camera is weak on, in my opinion. In fact, I'm hoping Epic and Scarlet are similarly portable and convenient, to the extent that they can be, given the fact they are packing much, much more horsepower.
 
Tom said:
The 5D2 can literally shooting for DAYS on a couple of $90 32GB Transcend CF cards and a pocket full of tiny batteries. With the grip you can shoot for like 6 hours straight on two walnut-sized batteries. There are many reasons to diss the 5D2, but portability, startup time, power and recording media are not points the camera is weak on, in my opinion. In fact, I'm hoping Epic and Scarlet are similarly portable and convenient, to the extent that they can be, given the fact they are are packing much, much more horsepower.
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fair scope.. the more you post on what you know best the more we appreciate it..

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JJ.. you should take tom's viewpoint in consideration.. he's right now.
 
filmmaker's gang said:
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JJ.. you should take tom's viewpoint in consideration.. he's right now.
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I would hope that JJ doesn't take into consideration badly sampled video, higher skew, and a tremendously overcompressed image all for the sake of cheap media and tiny batteries. That maybe fine for a DSLR with video tacked on as an afterthought, but PLEASE FOR GODSAKES do not go in that direction for Scarlet. We don't want you to go down to the loest common denominator, go all the way up!
 
read tom's post
 
btw.. the recent recordable media adds-on are less than FUD
 
filmmaker's gang said:
read tom's post
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It's not an apples to apples comparison. $90 cards don't mean anything if I'm trying to get 5k motion at a low compression ratio. I don't want scarlet dumbed down just so I can shoot overcompressed video to cheap cards. It's more important to me personally that scarlet achieves the high quality it's aiming for rather than the low quality the 5d2 hits.
 
ok.. forget the $90 32gb cards.. even if you'll have more powerful media at that price in a short period of time.. yes.. no name media.. who cares?.. the hightech shouldn't work out as a church.
 
I guess I forgot a few well-placed smiley faces thingies on my post. :-)

The 5DII does record to cheap media and has tiny batteries. And there are cameras that record motion and stills with cheaper media and tiny(er) batteries (and a worse image). The question isn't who has the tiny batteries, it is "where does professional to your level of satisfaction begin?". If the 5DII, an HVX, or 35mm film is what satisfies your requirement... there you go. But a compressed codec with lots of skew and no modularity to the system isn't OK for me. Good news is that everyone gets to decide for themselves.
 
Comparing Epics with anything below its price point is not worth comparing. Maybe the Scarlets would be better to compare, since it falls within prosumer ranges? Then again, nothing comes close as far as value. Only what products are out, I guess?:Yawn:
 
BTW, I was very clear in the fact that I was in NO WAY comparing the video that comes out of a 5D2 to any Red camera, especially not the DSMCs! I was simply responding to michael zaletel's claim that the batteries and CF cards run out too fast on the 5D2... which is the complete opposite of reality. Even if you completely trash the video capabilities and quality, you cannot deny the convenience of the camera in terms of recording media, startup time, battery life, plus the "stealth" factor of being able to shoot quickly and inconspicuously.

I am confident, based on all that Jim and Jarred have been saying, that DSMC will be moving in the direction of more portability, faster startup and setup times, longer battery life, etc. It's just the natural progression of technology.

The 5D2 has major, major problems, not the least of which is terrible moire-pattern artifacting, and some gruesome partial demosaicing artifacts caused by high-frequency patterns in water, brick walls, etc.
 
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