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Angenieux 25-250mm HP vs. HR
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The HR is the better of the two... That's all you need to know.
Basically, the HP and HR have the exact same glass.
The HR has a beefier more solid housing. The HP has a rotating, telescoping front section.
There are a few other differences... But nothing important.
Basically, the HP and HR have the exact same glass.
The HR has a beefier more solid housing. The HP has a rotating, telescoping front section.
There are a few other differences... But nothing important.
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Oli Laperal Jr
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Angenieux 25-250 mm zoom
Angenieux 25-250 mm zoom
The Angenieux 25-250 mm zoom lens come in 3 or 4 generations:
Gen 1. 25-250 mm T3.9 Perhaps a 1970s vintage lens or earlier. A work of wonder at that time. Arri bayonet lens mount. Used Market price today: $800-$1500. Watch for fungus and optical glue failure on doblets. The lenses are usually in very bad condition today.
Gen 2. 25-250 mm HP T3.7 Perhaps a 1980s vintage lens. An optical improvement. Arri bayonet or Arri PL lens mount. HP stands for High Performance. Used price $4000 - $6000.
Gen 3. 25-250 mm HR T3.5 Perhaps a 1990s vintage lens. Optical improvement, front barrel does not turn nor extend as you focus. PL lens mount. HR stands for High Resolution. Used Market price $15,000 - $20,000.
Gen 4. Optimo 24-290 mm. Not quite a 25-250 mm, but a vast improvement of the 25-250 mm HR industry workhorse. Came in about 5 years ago. about $ 60,000 new. Needs a handle from Duclos or Oppenheimer.
Good Luck!
Angenieux 25-250 mm zoom
The Angenieux 25-250 mm zoom lens come in 3 or 4 generations:
Gen 1. 25-250 mm T3.9 Perhaps a 1970s vintage lens or earlier. A work of wonder at that time. Arri bayonet lens mount. Used Market price today: $800-$1500. Watch for fungus and optical glue failure on doblets. The lenses are usually in very bad condition today.
Gen 2. 25-250 mm HP T3.7 Perhaps a 1980s vintage lens. An optical improvement. Arri bayonet or Arri PL lens mount. HP stands for High Performance. Used price $4000 - $6000.
Gen 3. 25-250 mm HR T3.5 Perhaps a 1990s vintage lens. Optical improvement, front barrel does not turn nor extend as you focus. PL lens mount. HR stands for High Resolution. Used Market price $15,000 - $20,000.
Gen 4. Optimo 24-290 mm. Not quite a 25-250 mm, but a vast improvement of the 25-250 mm HR industry workhorse. Came in about 5 years ago. about $ 60,000 new. Needs a handle from Duclos or Oppenheimer.
Good Luck!
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Ang. HP/HR Comparison
Ang. HP/HR Comparison
The HP unit was introduced in approx. 1986-7 in response to Cooke's dominance of the professional cine zoom market. I believe it shared aspects of its optical design with the old, traditional Angenieux 10x25B f3.2/T3.9 zoom, with the following improvements:
-Entirely new mechanical unit. Partial internal focus: Front end tracked in and out during focusing, but did not rotate. Front ring had rectangular mask a-la-Cooke. In rental service, they seemed to loosen up mechanically to an annoying degree, needed a lot of attention.
Unlike most Angenieux lenses, these focus THROUGH infinity, that is, there is no infinity stop. So you cannot do a "blind" focus pull to infinity.
-Redesigned front end, better wide angle performance. New glass types use.
-All elements coated with new Angenieux HEC (high efficiency) multi-layer anti-reflection coatings. These dramatically increase flair rejection & contrast and decrease veiling glare (image desaturation) and transmission loss. You get a higher T-stop (TRANSMISSION stop) for the same geometric aperture.
So Voila, the same f3.2 iris now delivers T3.7 instead of T3.9.
The HR is a development of the HP, with improvements mainly to its mechanics. The hybrid internal/external focus mechanism got a shroud to conceal the fact it is not true internal focus, and a clear flat to keep out debris and protect the large front element. On lenses I have compared, it appears that the HR outshines the HP in terms of wide-angle performance and format coversage (esp. at wide end). It is also a more massive unit. One of the cool things about the HP is that it is the most compact of all high performance 25-250mm zooms for 35mm format.
They are both good lenses, the HR is bigger and better and more expensive.
As with all used gear, condition is everything.
Hope this Illuminates....
Ang. HP/HR Comparison
The HP unit was introduced in approx. 1986-7 in response to Cooke's dominance of the professional cine zoom market. I believe it shared aspects of its optical design with the old, traditional Angenieux 10x25B f3.2/T3.9 zoom, with the following improvements:
-Entirely new mechanical unit. Partial internal focus: Front end tracked in and out during focusing, but did not rotate. Front ring had rectangular mask a-la-Cooke. In rental service, they seemed to loosen up mechanically to an annoying degree, needed a lot of attention.
Unlike most Angenieux lenses, these focus THROUGH infinity, that is, there is no infinity stop. So you cannot do a "blind" focus pull to infinity.
-Redesigned front end, better wide angle performance. New glass types use.
-All elements coated with new Angenieux HEC (high efficiency) multi-layer anti-reflection coatings. These dramatically increase flair rejection & contrast and decrease veiling glare (image desaturation) and transmission loss. You get a higher T-stop (TRANSMISSION stop) for the same geometric aperture.
So Voila, the same f3.2 iris now delivers T3.7 instead of T3.9.
The HR is a development of the HP, with improvements mainly to its mechanics. The hybrid internal/external focus mechanism got a shroud to conceal the fact it is not true internal focus, and a clear flat to keep out debris and protect the large front element. On lenses I have compared, it appears that the HR outshines the HP in terms of wide-angle performance and format coversage (esp. at wide end). It is also a more massive unit. One of the cool things about the HP is that it is the most compact of all high performance 25-250mm zooms for 35mm format.
They are both good lenses, the HR is bigger and better and more expensive.
As with all used gear, condition is everything.
Hope this Illuminates....
Harry Clark
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And I'm sure we've been using the Optimo for at least 10 years, no???
Cheers,
Harry
Cheers,
Harry