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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

RED 1 model 3D For sale

If anyone buys that model let me know, if you can convert it to an OBJ format I'd like to work something out with you.

I am unable to contact the creator via TurboSquid
 
To create a model representation of an object is probably OK legally, it is an artistic reproduction. But there's going to be issues with including the RED name and trademark as part of the texture images, same with the embossed ARRI logo on the top flag, etc.. It's true that these are parts of the physical items being modeled, but these are their legally registered trademarks.

That said, is there really a market for this? Enough to charge $225 and subject the purchaser (not only the creator and TurboSquid) to potential trademark infringement?
 
the trademark infringment is sketchy....

I contribute to istock....and they are so anal about litigation that they willl not accept images of a building unless the owners of that building sign off on it....and they would definately never allow and corporate logos or trademarked items at all.

Turbosquid(which is the largest market for 3d models) probably dosn't have experience with this because the models are usually the sole creation of the authour....

but then what do you do with the millions of ferrari, mustang, hummer and F16 models out there?

The Red logo could definately be a source of contention...
 
Jay A. Kelley said:
If anyone buys that model let me know, if you can convert it to an OBJ format I'd like to work something out with you.

I am unable to contact the creator via TurboSquid
Click to expand...

ooops...
sorry jay you need to import FBX into LW as well
also need this plugin
http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/item?siteID=123112&id=8230549

grab the one for LW 8.2...works with LW 9+as well
install the .p file into your plugins directory...
load the obj into the fbx converter...convert to FBX...import FBX into LW...
 
I would think that if the model were slightly different and not an exact copy then you might have a bit of a chance. If RED went after every company that posted an image of RED then we all might be in trouble.
 
I don't think it violates any copyright.. As long as you do your own model of the Red logo etc and don't use any of their own images as textures Im quite sure it doesn't violates anything. Search for ARRI on turbosquid for example. Its only a interpretation of the real thing. Im glad to see that someone put the effort and made a much asked for 3D model. I've bought tons of "broadcast" related 3D models from turbosquid, and a Red camera would be nice to replace my existing broadcast cameras with.

A 3D model, isn't more different than taking your own photograph of a Red camera and sell it as photostock. However, I might be totally wrong, and better wait for a word from Red before doing anything stupid! :)
 
Common misconception there about copyright and trademark laws. Although, you're in Sweden, so laws could be different there. In the USA, it doesn't matter if you draw it yourself, if you replicate a registered trademark it's still protected under trademark law.

I wouldn't be interested in such a model until RED offers their own clarification and blessing to it. Even then, I'd probably still build it myself for my own use. I see a few flaws with this one and just because you can buy a model on TurboSquid for $XXX doesn't mean that gives you all the rights to use it in commercial production. Too many models have additional licensing terms, etc..
 
Actually there was a pretty big case recently which ruled that a model that is an exact reproduction can't be copyrighted.

So usage licenses as I understand it are pretty much null for all models of real objects.

The case was over a car and it was decided that the company which produced the model can't charge royalties for renderings of the model since it wasn't a 'creative' entity. The renderings can be copyrighted by the geometry can't.

The lesson being: Don't hand out your models if they're reproductions of a real object. Or if you do, make sure you get payed completely up front for the single transaction and not rely on any sort of usage license.

IANAL.
 
Interesting.. I wasn't aware that 3D models had its own rules when it comes to copyright infrigements.

There are plenty of pictures for example at stockfootage sites with product photos, containing all kind of company logos on them. So I always thought the same rules applied to 3D models. We don't have as much lawyers as you guys have though, so these kinds of cases are rarely heard of here.
 
That is a pretty sweet lookin' model. Whoever did it spent quite a bit of time on it. I wan't to buy it but then I remembered I have no need for a 3D RED model :/
 
For that price you'd think they'd at least provide a working preview to examine.
 
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