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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

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Proc Load:

Bru PE and Retro8 beta were low, 5%, very respectable. The two win apps were in the same range.
Around what I expected.

Bru LE was higher for some reason, 20% or so.
LE's UI is based on an older threading model and only two threads are being used. PE is much more optimized in this area.

Testing was just for performance, not features. All the apps have their pluses and minuses. In terms of PE, the the session archive is a little scary to me, I prefer to specify files myself. I am curious about testing performance of the dual output option, but cant tie up two lto4s at the moment.

Session recognition is on by default and others have asked for an option to disable it. That will be included in 2.0.1.

As for Doubler Archival mode, so long as you're using SAS or Fibre-Channel, you'll get very close performance to a single drive's numbers. Again, PE has been optimized to use threads more effectively. The only issues would be trying to use two LVD SCSI LTO-4 drives on the same SCSI channel as that would saturate the LVD-320 bandwidth.


bru vs tar.

After a few more tests I would now guess this is where the performance hit is.
Bru format increases archive size by aprox 13% - 40GB source file = 45.4GB archive
13% more data to write, 15% slower, works out about right? Would you say that is accurate?

I don't mind the extra data size, tape is cheap, but the performance hit is not ideal.
That is correct. Depending on the file sizes and block sizes used, BRU will add 12% to 18% to the final archive size.

And, what is the performance hit if you run the Windows tools and not include the Unix and Mac-specific metadata details of your environment (I realize what you say below)?

I don't fully understand the benefit of bru vs tar + md5.
Well, for one - you can't write to tape using tar under OS X.

In a production environment, you have to make two copies, and you have to verify them, so I'm not sure what the bru format adds to that. If a file is corrupt in the archive, it would be skipped and noted - then we would have to restore is from the 2nd backup (hopefully). How much of the file could be corrupted and still have that extra parity information in the bru archive recover it?
As to the requirement for two copies - that's why Doubler Archival Mode is a simple checkbox choice. Check, Drag, Drop, Click - insert two tapes and you're done (unless you need more space than one tape :) ). And "hopefully" isn't a word we use with restores. Any issue that occurs in a tar archive can cause the entire restore operation to abort, not just result in the loss of the corrupted data. It's because tar doesn't like "glitches" mid-stream and tells you so by simply aborting at that point. As to what BRU does differently, we do not add ECC or other redundancy to the data stream, so we don't "rebuild" corrupted data. Rather we write the data so that we can recover from such an error in a way that allows the additional data to be restored beyond the data corruption point. It's not just about something going wrong during the backup, but also something going wrong during the restore.
Our assets are primarily image sequence - dng, dpx, etc, quicktime files, camera raw file - r3d + phantom dng, and audio - bwf/wav/aiff. Previously we were using backupexec to lto3 from a smb share of the mac, and have not had any resource problems.
We're not trying to push anyone to move to something they can't use or don't need, so I would be the first to tell you that if your Windows solution is working for you, don't change horses mid-stream.

For location use I would like to see a BRU LE that does not disable 2MB blocks, simpler is better in the field. For studio use I would much prefer a BRU server update to modern day architecture, although your tech support disagrees with you that PPC vs intel has any impact on performance. Hardware LTO AES encryption support would also be nice. Is there a timeframe for the 1.3 version?

Actually, PE is much easier to use than LE. It was designed for exactly the purpose you describe - drag, drop, click. Are you saying that you think LE is easier that that?

As to BRU Server 1.2.0 and the PPC/Intel issues, note that the 98th percentile of our BRU Server customers are backing up data across a network - and of those, only 62% are reporting using 1GbE. Therefore, the PPC built tool running under Rosetta is not the bottleneck as the server process is spending the bulk of its time waiting for the data stream from the networked systems. Additionally, since BRU Server will happily make use of that retired 1GHz G4, a lot of our Mac customers are re-tasking otherwise useless PPC hardware for use as their backup servers. In that case, no performance hit at all. This is why there isn't a true discrepancy between what I said and what support are saying.

As for encryption, drive-based encryption is fine if you will only ever access the media using the original tape drive. As part of the PE 2.1 and Server 1.3 enhancements, each will include software-based encryption that uses a block cipher and key rather than a stream cipher like AES. With AES and similar stream encryption methods, the more data you archive, the lower the difficulty in potentially breaking the cipher. Because BRU's software encryption uses a block-based cipher, the key rolls with every block, so the encryption is as strong in the 10^12 or 10^21 block as it is in the first block. Also, using software based encryption allows you to handle the data on any compatible tape drive so long as the encryption key is known. For delivery and offsite archival, using drive-based encryption means that each drive must use the same key to access the data on the tapes. As for performance, we use assembly code on all platforms except PA-RISC and achieve over 600MB/sec throughput using fully randomized data.
 
Can anyone please tell me if the HP EH920A Ultrium 1760 SAS Ext Tape Drive is compatible with OSX? according to HP's site, none of the drives seem to be mac friendly. For an HBA I was thinking of the Atto ExpressSAS H644 6-Gb SAS/SATA Host Adapter. I would like to run Bru PE with this set-up if possible.

Many thanks,

Adam
 
HP / ATTO is the bext combo

HP / ATTO is the bext combo

Can anyone please tell me if the HP EH920A Ultrium 1760 SAS Ext Tape Drive is compatible with OSX? according to HP's site, none of the drives seem to be mac friendly. For an HBA I was thinking of the Atto ExpressSAS H644 6-Gb SAS/SATA Host Adapter. I would like to run BRU PE with this set-up if possible.

Hi Adam,

The reason for no Mac mention on the HP page is because without software, the tape drive really isn't compatible. HP "currently" doesn't offer a Mac bundle solution.

However, we recommend HP for all Mac users in combination with all of our Mac solutions. That combination with BRU PE will be excellent.

Tim
 
HP and Mac

HP and Mac

According to HP's site, none of the drives seem to be mac friendly.

As an additional point for this question - HP are making a number of adjustments to their Mac information over the next few months. Please be patient with them as they are like a huge oil tanker and it takes a very long time for them to make a turn :).

In the long run, you'll discover that HP's Mac effort is going to hit 100% in the next few months.

Tim
 
As an additional point for this question - HP are making a number of adjustments to their Mac information over the next few months. Please be patient with them as they are like a huge oil tanker and it takes a very long time for them to make a turn :).

In the long run, you'll discover that HP's Mac effort is going to hit 100% in the next few months.

Tim

Hi Tim,

Thanks for the info! Do I have to contact anyone specifically to take advantage of the RedUser Bru PE offer?

Regards,

Adam
 
UK and Europe Sales

UK and Europe Sales

Hi Tim,

Thanks for the info! Do I have to contact anyone specifically to take advantage of the RedUser Bru PE offer?

adriank@tolisgroup.co.uk

Adrian is our Director of European Operations (he's in Bristol) and he'll set things up and get you licensed!

Thanks for your interest!

Tim
 
More on BRU PE sales contacts

More on BRU PE sales contacts

Hi Folks,

I've received a few additional enquiries on who to contact. Here's the list:

North and South America - brusales@tolisgroup.com
Asia and PacRim - stevem@protek.net.au
UK and Europe - adriank@tolisgroup.co.uk
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Be sure to identify yourself as a RED Forum user.

Thanks for all the interest.
Tim
 
Can anyone please tell me if the HP EH920A Ultrium 1760 SAS Ext Tape Drive is compatible with OSX? according to HP's site, none of the drives seem to be mac friendly. For an HBA I was thinking of the Atto ExpressSAS H644 6-Gb SAS/SATA Host Adapter. I would like to run Bru PE with this set-up if possible.

Many thanks,

Adam
HI Adam, yes I can assure you that the HP 1760 LTO4 Ultrium SAS HH tape drive works perfectly with MAC OSX on a MAC PRO provided you use the well known and tried configiration of:
  • ATTOTECH EXPRESSAS PCIE Hcccand R380 3Gbs SAS HBA's
  • or their latest ATTO TECH EXPRESS SAS 6Gbs HBA's just available and
  • Tolisgroups BRU-PE

As seen in many posts, this is 98% fully supported and configurable entirely on the OSX 10.5.6 platform. (firmware and monitoring)


THis means this config is configurable and managable from OSX using OSX .app and not stuff from windah's or other .

THe only exception that is to change from what the rumour mill is saying that the firmware upgrades for all the major tape drive vendor is usually form windah's or linux or solaris. As rumours abound that HP will have OSX support for the tape drive and libraries for MAC OSX in a while.

I have the above configuration working as well as te HP 1840 full height tape drives.

GO with ATTO TECH for SAS HBA's on OSX. Other will give you tears and fears.

PM if u have questions on this config.

MAny answers are on this forum.


hth
 
Hi Tim,

I just purchased BRU PE after extensive testing.

Here are my findings:

1. The Quickview is nice but IMHO only meaningful after creating a "Job" in the Advanced View for appending files that need to be backuped while a project is growing.

2. Verifying is working well. No tedious disconnecting of the tape drive as it happens often with Retrospect. How many hours did we spend with that issue...

3. No corrupt backup sets - until now. And I've got the feeling I won't suffer from this anymore. I had that with Retrospect too often. Such things make the whole backup process rediculous.

4. The interface is easy to understand, while people like me who are no IT-techs need a comprehensive manual - with that you will sell more seats. Understanding the needs of proper backup proceedures need some education filmakers, editors and post-people rarely have. If you want the interface to look more "Pro" give it a dark grey design such as reduser.net is looking or most post apps. like Discreet Flame, Scratch, Speedgrade, Shake, etc....

I have a request which I have since day one when working with file based cameras such as the RedOne:

I would love to see simultanious backup of data to tape AND HDD. We need the tape for rushes achival and the HDD for editing. This would be a huge time saver. Often The HDD is a Raid which is connected to the BRU PE server (in my case a old G5) via Ethernet.

Thanks for your good work, BRU PE is A LOT better than Retrospect.

Hans
 
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