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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Ergo...

My biggest concern with the new Red camera system are ergonomics and modularity. COG, balance and weight with the RedOne are an issue and cannot be solved to a completely satisfiying degree. Systems like the ET Mantis are helpful but there are many like me who would like to operate the camera without such systems - from the tripod to the shoulder in a second. And we are not talking ENG here - I'm mostly shooting TVCs. I love to have a camera instantly working. I hate it if reconfiguring the camera eats valuable time I could spend with my story.

I can move spontaniously from the dolly, tripod to handheld with my SRII and have that with 235, Aatons, you name it. I configured my RedOne to serve me in this regard - but with the known issues.

It's good to see a real world photo, showing how the new system would look like on an operators shoulder. Obviously the camera is still a bit frontheavy in this configuration but there seems to be room to improve this:

1. There is a single rod that carries the EVF. It looks like that the EVF can be pushed more to the front. This is vital. I want the Brain's backend to touch my shoulder. Together with my cheek and eye touching closely the camera's side and the EFV plus my hands holding lightweight rods/FF I will have a fairly stable setup for the shoulder, close to that what I find with a 235. I don't need a shoulderpad, never had that. Good to have it though, when desired.

2. I'm not sure but I guess that those new small batteries are fine for powering the camera and EVF for a meaningful amount of time, say 1 hour, but the ability to fit an existing Redbrick or something similar at the end of the camera would help a lot balancing the cam and at least doubeling the running time.

I've been always a critic in this regard but now it looks like that the new breed improves vastly in this regard. David's side by side picture shows nicely how much deeper the COG is. This alone is great news.

Hans
 
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The R1 rig on the right was displayed at IBC Sept 06. R1 shipped 12 months later.
I suppose the new Epic prototype would have gone to NAB 09.

I didn't see but the new prototype Epic rod's are not at the standard 19mm optical rod height.
This is a light weight config where you shoot handheld for long periods & probably don't want to be weighted down with R1 legacy accessories...umm

As for FF & MB in this lightweight config?
Doesn't make sense! Clamp-on??

See full version here.
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This full version uses the new ET 19mm studio kit (baseplate) and 15mm LW adapter where you can add on FF & MB.

I'm very interested in this full version where you go immediately from tripod (with 19mm studio rods) to handheld.
Do you just slip the shoulder mount onto the bottom rails or do you just attached the shoulder pad directly to the I/O module, like in the new pic? Either way the centre of gravity looks a bit too far forward.

Dave,

ps: I'm expecting more anchor points to come on bottom (and top) rails.
Nice to see stuff coming from render to real. Well done!
More configurations to come this week I guess!
 
Alexander Nikishin said:
I definitely like the lower COG, but it looks as though it will be awfully front heavy? More so than the R1.
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Of course could be front heavy when you put a zoom lens on any camera.

It's always like this.

Hopefully the new cam could be lighter a couple of pounds?!

Accessory like an "Easy Rig" 2.5 or 3 could always help to get rid of shoulder pain.

I'm still more interested in the new sensor behaviour, R3D SDK development for

3rd parties because of the workflow and also about the universal mount.

One "photoshop montage" with Angenieux Optimo "Rouge" 16-42mm zoom lens.

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Hans von Sonntag said:
Hi David,
I think the rod's diameter of the prototype is 19mm.

Thanks for the pictures, BTW.

Hans
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I added another pic to last post above.
I suppose you could put any rod size directly under the brain....not sure why you would thou!
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Jannard said:
Over the next few days we will post several different prototype combinations with different accessories for different applications. These are NOT final designs. But they should give you an idea of size and possible shooting positions.

This 1st one is a "brain" with a full compliment of modules and handles.

Jim

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Is that a RED prime lens in the picture? Or is that just some kind of mockup lens?
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
I seem to recall that modules can be stacked in any order. Would that mean the I/O module could be placed at the rear, behind the batteries. May not be as ideal for weight distribution, but could be a nicer feature for cable management.
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Something like this...? (crude photoshopped pic attached)

Every time someone mentions poor cable management, this is what crops up in my head; a second I/O module option with rear-facing connectors. Seems like a 'no-brainer' to me.
 
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