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Hello all,
I am new to RED to say the least. I previously have used the standard prosumer cameras (Sony VX series, and I own a DVX100B), as well as a Panasonic HVX200 at work. I am looking to upgrade my set up and have been doing some research on the Scarlet. I know the information is limited as of right now, but I have a few questions for this online community:

I am curious to know if anyone can further explain the crop factor that will come into play with the Scarlet?

Can any 35mm lens be mounted on a Scarlet with the right mount?

What would be a good general applications lens, similar and width to a stock lens that comes on a standard prosumer camera like an HVX?

Info on the mini primes?

Like I said before I am new to everything that is RED, if anyone has any good material I can read that will clear any of these issues up I would love to check them out!

Thank you in advance,
JPD
 
Hi,

I am pretty new to all of this myself.

I can't recommend enough going to http://www.fxguide.com/redcentre

Download all the podcasts and go through them a few times. Very informative. Most of it was over my head so I went through them a few times.

I know that one of the podcasts in the first ten discussed a company that takes Nikon lenses and re-works the stops so they are smooth acting and can be used with the RED. A full set of Primes for about $3500. The company had a smaller set of Zeiss lenses for like $4700.

Good Luck
 
It depends which Scarlet you get. The 2/3" (removable lens) Scarlet will not feature 35mm lens mounts to my knowledge - just the MiniRED, B4 and C mounts. You can however, use any 35mm PL, Nikon or Canon lenses on the larger ones.

It may end up being physically possible to put a 35mm mount on the 2/3" Scarlet, but even your widest lens would likely act like a telephoto lens...
 
craig - i believe you're talking about rp lens right? link

haven't bought from them, but i've heard nothing but good things about them.

crop factor. the s35 will have a crop factor of 1.5. that means if you have a 50mm lens it will have the field of view of a 75mm lens (but depth of field characteristics won't be any different at a given f/stop). nikon DX series cameras and lenses have this crop factor as well, making a nikon dslr a hell of a directors viewfinder :)

think of it as "cropping" a 35mm frame without losing resolution. canon has a crop factor of 1.6. FF35 is a full 36x24mm frame. a 50mm has the field of view of a 50mm. just make sure the lenses you buy cover the full frame format.
 
Stephen Gentle said:
It depends which Scarlet you get. The 2/3" (removable lens) Scarlet will not feature 35mm lens mounts to my knowledge - just the MiniRED, B4 and C mounts. You can however, use any 35mm PL, Nikon or Canon lenses on the larger ones.

It may end up being physically possible to put a 35mm mount on the 2/3" Scarlet, but even your widest lens would likely act like a telephoto lens...
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Does anyone know how the MiniRED's will compare to the look/depth of field of a 35mm lens?

Please bare with me, I am used to my cameras having stock lenses. This is a whole new beast!
 
the mini-reds will be roughly equivalent to 16mm film or 2/3" video. depth of field won't be as shallow on a 2/3" lens at a given f/stop (but shallower than you could get out of a 1/3" camera like the HVX).

if you want the "film look", i would suggest biting the bullet and get the s35. i would get a nikon dslr and some lenses in the meantime and aclimate yourself to "the look". then you'll know what you're gonna get out of the s35 scarlet. field of view and depth of field will be almost identical to what you see out of a nikon dslr.

cheers!
 
Gary Stone said:
the mini-reds will be roughly equivalent to 16mm film or 2/3" video. depth of field won't be as shallow on a 2/3" lens at a given f/stop (but shallower than you could get out of a 1/3" camera like the HVX).

if you want the "film look", i would suggest biting the bullet and get the s35. i would get a nikon dslr and some lenses in the meantime and aclimate yourself to "the look". then you'll know what you're gonna get out of the s35 scarlet. field of view and depth of field will be almost identical to what you see out of a nikon dslr.

cheers!
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Thank you so much for the replies, they are definitely helping me getting a better understanding of all of this.

I guess my biggest issue is what I want/need.

Prior to looking at a Scarlet I was going to go the HVX200A route, but now look at the Scarlet has messed my entire game plan up!

I spend most of my time behind the lens on odd jobs, whatever I can get, and in my free time working on small projects. With an HVX things seem so simple just grab it by the handle an go! But to get any kind of film look I would need a 35mm adapter,lens and so on.

I guess what is so enticing to me about the Scarlet, is the fact that the quality is out of this world and the fact that RED makes everything so interchangeable. If I get an HVX 3 months later its old news but with RED I can constantly configure my set up for me!

I guess I will just have to wait and see how the pricing and specs are looking when the release date nears.

Thank you all for the comments!
-JPD
 
I think that you will be able to put a PL mount on the 2/3" scarlet because of using 16mm lenses. It looks like the body is the same size on all of them, so there's no reason they wouldn't allow those mounts to work, you would just have to know that with a smaller sensor size, it'll be tough to find a S35 lens that would work as a wide on 2/3".
 
Gary- yeah that was the place. I had it bookmarked but on my computer at work.

Like I said I am very new to this. It looks like a maze of information to take into consideration. You have to keep the lens focal area behind the lens in mind when choosing what size sensor you are going to get. Which sensor is supposed to have the best "sweet spot" for standard 35mm? Is it the RED One, S35 or FF35?
 
FF35 is the actual size of a frame of 35mm film. s35 is the ticket when you'll be using still camera glass. i don't remember what it is exactly, but the R1 actually has a higher crop factor than s35. somebody chime in if i'm wrong about that...i can't wait for scarlet to hit. it's a dream machine for me.
 
I am thinking a 2/3 fixed or interchangable will be the way to go for me. I spend most of my time shooting odd jobs and freelance and just having fun with my camera. Like I said I was looking to upgrade to a HVX within the next year or so. Correct me if I am wrong but as of right now it seems that for roughly the same cost (give or take) of a new HVX (about $6k) I could have a 2/3 scarlet with a higher quality, shallower depth of field, and endless possibilities!

Yes the HVX will be easier to use, as in I can just grab it by the handle and go into town for the day, but bottom line the quality of the 2/3 Scarlet is just unbeatable!

-JPD
 
another thing to think about is the post workflow. it's A LOT more involved than the HVX and it's ilk.
 
if you could can you please go into that a bit further? I have been reading that the pot workflow is different but have not yet figured out why it is that way?

If it helps with the explanation I run a 24" iMac running osx Leopard, 2.8ghz Dual Core 2, 2 gb of ram (upgrading to 4) and a ATI 256mb video card.

I use the latest versions of Final Cut Studio 2, as well as Adobe Creative Suite 4 Master Collection
 
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