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Thinking about buying a Red One and wanted to see what people recommend for a basic accessory kit. I was looking through and made a list from the red store
Obviously a Red One
Base production pack
top mount
universal mount
Red power pack
Red Drive
18 inch drive cable
top handle extension
cheese plate
18-85 red 2.9
nikon mount
(eventually) canon mount
5.6 inch LCD
red handle mount
2 aluminum 24 inch rods
red left handle
Bogen / Manfrotto 3190 Professional 1-Stage Video Pro Tripod Legs (Black) with 100mm Half Ball - Supports 44 lbs
Bogen / Manfrotto Bogen/Manfrotto 526 Professional Video Fluid Head (Black) - Supports 35 lb (16 kg)
allstar-cine's lens support screw
optitek's clip on viewfinder for LCD
NTG-3 Mic with power from Denecke PS-1A

I will be doing alot of on the go, live documentary stuff, am I missing anything for that?
What does the Microphone mount to and with what should I attach it with possibly http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/488056-REG/Hosa_Technology_MMH_472_Universal_Clamp.html ?
Will I be missing anything? I want to make sure I can order with peace of mind that I wont be assembling and have to order a piece I missed.
What size rods do you need (length wise) in order to hold a 18-85 Red or 300 Red lens?
Is there anything I need or don't need?
Thanks in advance
 
Hey man-

Some things to consider:

1) If this is only for your personal use, pick a lens mount and stay with it. RED PL is a good way to go, so if you're going to sink money into that lens, stick with it, don't fool around with the Canon or Nikon adapters.

2) The EVF is truly and amazing piece of equipment. I would get it, and if you do, be sure to get an element technica EVF mount to go with it.

3) If you're doing a lot of run-and gun doc stuff, the RED Raid may drop frames. Perhaps go with the RED-Ram instead? If that's too expensive, look into ET's shock mounts for the RAID.

4) If you're doing a lot of run-and-gun doc stuff, those 24" rods will not only be overkill, but also really heavy. I would grab either RED or ET's carbon rods, at most 18". 18" is what you need for a lens with follow focus and matte box. I don't know if you're planning on buying those, they aren't on your list, but if you are, Arri (even though it is more expensive) is the way to go. Abel Cine has good RED packages.

5) Get two top mounts, and either a 6" rod to go through the second one (so you can mount hard drives/batteries off a universal mount) or go to the hardware store and get two small pieces of aluminum cut.

6) Again, if you're going to be doing run-and-gun stuff, I would either buy RED's handle mount and left handle, as you have, or sink some money into a Zacuto or Arri handheld rig. Much easier to operate.

7) For handheld, check out the belt battery clip. Also, we've found that it takes more than 2 batteries to keep the RED running. Try 4. You can buy them all separately, then grab a high-speed quad charger (search this forum - not made by red).

Besides that, looks good, man. Happy shooting!
 
If you are going to be doing any handheld work, I would suggest forgoing the RED pack because it sucks big time.

Get the ET bottom plate, dovetail, and handheld rig. Heck, even if your not doing handheld get the bottom plate and dovetail--you'll be much happier. Also, get the ET rods as they are much lighter and nicer than the RED rods. Just buy what you need from RED instead of buying the entire basic package.

Matthew
 
Ryan Patch said:
Hey man-

Some things to consider:

1) If this is only for your personal use, pick a lens mount and stay with it. RED PL is a good way to go, so if you're going to sink money into that lens, stick with it, don't fool around with the Canon or Nikon adapters.

2) The EVF is truly and amazing piece of equipment. I would get it, and if you do, be sure to get an element technica EVF mount to go with it.

3) If you're doing a lot of run-and gun doc stuff, the RED Raid may drop frames. Perhaps go with the RED-Ram instead? If that's too expensive, look into ET's shock mounts for the RAID.

4) If you're doing a lot of run-and-gun doc stuff, those 24" rods will not only be overkill, but also really heavy. I would grab either RED or ET's carbon rods, at most 18". 18" is what you need for a lens with follow focus and matte box. I don't know if you're planning on buying those, they aren't on your list, but if you are, Arri (even though it is more expensive) is the way to go. Abel Cine has good RED packages.

5) Get two top mounts, and either a 6" rod to go through the second one (so you can mount hard drives/batteries off a universal mount) or go to the hardware store and get two small pieces of aluminum cut.

6) Again, if you're going to be doing run-and-gun stuff, I would either buy RED's handle mount and left handle, as you have, or sink some money into a Zacuto or Arri handheld rig. Much easier to operate.

7) For handheld, check out the belt battery clip. Also, we've found that it takes more than 2 batteries to keep the RED running. Try 4. You can buy them all separately, then grab a high-speed quad charger (search this forum - not made by red).

Besides that, looks good, man. Happy shooting!
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addressing

1) If I expect to buy sometime in January how long would it take to get an 18-85? I was going to buy the nikon mount so I had something to test out, I have some nice little Nikon prime lenses. I guess I wasn't thinking because for my application I cannot change the mount on the go.

2) So it sounds like the EVF is quiet the piece, I didn't list it because it is heavy and fairly expensive, is it that much better than the 5.6 inch LCD even with a eyepiece on the LCD? I've gone back and forth guess I'll have to review the site more for details about the EVF.

3) The shock mounts are nice should I get the one that holds one or two drives? Or should I get the Indie kit 19mm from ET?

4) So can I mount both the 18-85 and 300 on the 18 inch rods, I would buy from Element Technica, I only listed the 24 inch because I thought they were necessary to mount these two lenses

5)so add a top mount and another universal mount. The red production pack comes with two 18 inch rods would those suffice?

6)how much can I expect to pay for a complete arri system?

7)There not all plugged in at the same time right? How long will the battery operate on 2? on 4?

thanks for all the help, I love the red community its very welcoming.
 
Matthew Rogers said:
If you are going to be doing any handheld work, I would suggest forgoing the RED pack because it sucks big time.

Get the ET bottom plate, dovetail, and handheld rig. Heck, even if your not doing handheld get the bottom plate and dovetail--you'll be much happier. Also, get the ET rods as they are much lighter and nicer than the RED rods. Just buy what you need from RED instead of buying the entire basic package.

Matthew
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so can you send me a link showing these items, I cannot find them on ET or red forums, thanks in advance.
 
Robert,

I would not get any hardware from RED, especially the handle. You'll be replacing it in no time, it breaks very easily and you'd hate to drop your camera because you skimped on the handle. ET makes a great handle. Make sure you buy back up cables for everything (1 additional cable for LCD, EVF since they each ship with one). I would recommend getting the ET battery plate so that you can mount the battery to the side of the camera, this offsets the weight of the EVF quite nicely, much easier for hand held.

Are you going to be working in 19mm or 15mm? I would recommend getting an Arri style dovetail plate, forget the base production pack. Red's hardware accessories are castings, ET's are machined much stronger and will last longer. If you need 24" rods you should get steel, aluminum will flex.

Basic Package - Red - Body, EVF, LCD, CF Cards, Drive, 2 Drive Cables, 1 LCD Cable, 1 EVF Cable, 2 Red Power Packs (You'll need two chargers if you are going to be doing Doc work) 2 19mm Top Mounts (if you work in 19mm), 19mm Arri Style Baseplate, Red Battery Plate

ET - EVF Mount, Handle, Shock Mount w/ V Dock Clamp, Cheeseplate, ET Battery Plate w/ Speedy Clamp,

Dave
 
Well I have the EVF and for ENG use, I wouldn't recommend it. It's heavy, eats up juice, and it's huge as well. Many people have problems mounting it on the body. Not only that, it will become obsolete once the Epic comes out (still usable, but I'm sure a better EVF is on the way...) Just stick with the 5.6 or 7 inch monitor and get a good shade. I agree with getting the ET bottom plates and top handle. I use the Zacuto hand grips which is good and I recently purchased the Allstar shoulder pad which is very good for the price. Offcourse, if you could afford it, you can wait for ET shoulder rig thats coming out soon. I use the Actionproducts drive mount and for the money, it works really well. By the way, if you are using 15mm followfocus, etc. you might look into longvalley's new adapter which allows 15mm lightweight directly on the Red one body. I recently purchased it but I still haven't mounted it on my camera, but I'm sure that along with other items it will be the lightest setup possible with the Red one.

Good luck!

Rowland
 
IF your trying to Save en extra grand, the Zacuto EVF mount works great imo...no where near has adjustable as a ET EVF mount but its still rock solid and at a fraction of the price. The ET shock mount is a must have if you go with the RED drive. The RED Carbon fiber rods are incredibly light weight. Nikon primes/zooms are excellent for doc work. If your looking for a MB and FF and want to keep it light then check out the new ARRI mini Matte box and mini follow focus (MBB-1 and MFF-1 I think). The MB can also clip on.

I use most everything listed above and the rig is still very heavy for doc work so just be prepared for a work out. Happy holidays.
 
Rowland Kirishima said:
Well I have the EVF and for ENG use, I wouldn't recommend it. It's heavy, eats up juice, and it's huge as well. Many people have problems mounting it on the body. Not only that, it will become obsolete once the Epic comes out (still usable, but I'm sure a better EVF is on the way...)
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Really?

Better EVF? How so? And what are you basing this on?
IMO, the "current" EVF is a must have and there isn't anything better out there. I also doubt that the "bomb EVF" will surpass the current one.
 
The LCD v/s EVF thing is all about what you prefer - I have both, but I personally prefer the LCD, and the EVF is there to make rental costumers happy.

My advice, go with what you feel comfortable using.
 
Made a revised list what do you all think
Thanks for being so helpful it has helped me immensely.

Product cost manufacture
Red One 17500 Red
5.6inch LCD 1700 Red
2 Red power pack 2900 Red
Red-drive 900 Red
2 top mounts 500 Red
18-85 T2.9 9975 Red
Nikon mount 500 Red
Red Battery Plate 175 Red
LCD Cable 2ft 180 Red
2 Drive Cable 18inch 400 Red
19mm Red Bridge plate 900 ET
2 19mm Ultra Rods 18” 130 ET
2 19mm Ultra Rods 12” 100 ET
Arri Dovetail 2060/2575 12” 435 ET
Indie kit 19mm 525 ET
Handheld shoulder brace 2000 ET
NTG-3 Mic with power from 699 BH PHOTO
Denecke PS-1A 120 BH PHOTO
Hosa universal mount for microphone 18 BH PHOTO
Lens support screw 70 ALLSTAR
Optitek LCD clip-on finder ~100 OPTITEK
Bogen / Manfrotto 3190 Professional 1-Stage Video Pro Tripod Legs (Black) with 100mm Half Ball - Supports 44 lbs $420
Bogen / Manfrotto Bogen/Manfrotto 526 Professional Video Fluid Head (Black) - Supports 35 lb (16 kg) $1250
 
Robert -

I would also add the CF module, a few CF cards, a couple more batteries (4 is not enough), 2 more hard drives, some more back up cables, ET Shock Mount and V-Lock clamp, since you're not going with the EVF, get the Pro LCD 7" instead of the 5"

AND better sticks/head. Check out:
http://www.filmtools.com/oconnor-cine-hd-camera-tripod.html

What about cases for everything?
A CF Reader?
 
A lot of good feedback here, so I will just add my opinion about the sticks/head you selected.

It may be just me, but I will certainly consider something more solid. O'Conner 2060 seems popular choice. Sachtler has been a good performer. You will need legs that take considerably more than 44 lbs (CF is good for doco work) and head with rating of more than 20kg (45 lbs), specially that you are planning on using Red the 18-85mm. Bogen/Manfrotto won't cut it. The legs you selected are inadequate for your setup. Spend as much as you can possibly afford on good head and sticks. This has been discussed here, on Reduser, many times, so do the search.

Good shooting and have fun!
 
1) how long does one battery last, in say 70 degree weather.

2)Looking into better head and legs, trying to stick to a budget but those two are critical pieces that can't be overlooked, can anyone recommend a good head? I know the O'connor 1030 is good but anything under 5299.95 that compares? So are these legs the ticket http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...12210004_Cine_HD_Aluminum.html#specifications

3)Going with the 5.6 inch so I can buy the cover for conversion into eyepiece and I'm going to be working in really tight spaces that the Red and lens alone will have difficulty fitting in.

4) What does the CF card buy me over the hard drives and how much in minutes will the hard drive hold on 4k? 2k?

5) I have the ET shock mount and V-lock its the indie kit 19mm from ET, I should label whats in each kit separate.

Thanks for all the advice, whatever I get will be a blast to use its all great stuff.
 
2)Looking into better head and legs, trying to stick to a budget but those two are critical pieces that can't be overlooked, can anyone recommend a good head? I know the O'connor 1030 is good but anything under 5299.95 that compares? So are these legs the ticket http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...12210004_Cine_HD_Aluminum.html#specifications
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Those sticks in the link are baby-sticks, you'll need full-size sticks for sure http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...12210001_Cine_HD_Aluminum.html#specifications

You'll also want to decide on a head first since this will determine which mount (mitchell, 150mm etc) the tripod will need to be. Spend as much as you can on a GREAT tripod vs a mediocre tripod. Its a good investment and will probably out last your Red-1. Good luck.
 
earmarkcreative said:
Those sticks in the link are baby-sticks, you'll need full-size sticks for sure http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...12210001_Cine_HD_Aluminum.html#specifications

You'll also want to decide on a head first since this will determine which mount (mitchell, 150mm etc) the tripod will need to be. Spend as much as you can on a GREAT tripod vs a mediocre tripod. Its a good investment and will probably out last your Red-1. Good luck.
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Yeah thought when it said baby on the product description it was a little weird, so how will I decide which mount to get? Are some smoother, faster, etc? and if so which one, or is it just a matter of having all equipment match in mount sizes?
 
Can't agree with Earmark more...do not skimp on your tripod and head, it is an investment and will last you forever if you treat it well. 150mm and 100mm are the main sizes you need to be concerned with for a RED package.

From what I'm reading you are looking to keep your kit size and weight down. 150mm are bigger sticks and heads used more in studio production, where you are going to have ample crew to move it around and set it up. The 100mm are going to be a bit smaller, usually used in more mobile EFP and sometimes ENG shooting. If you are trying to keep your kit down, I would look at a Sachtler 20, a high hat and a couple of apple boxes. IMO, It will be plenty heavy for a smaller RED rig.

I wouldn't spend the money for baby sticks at this point...you can always add them later. The Sachtler 20s are very expensive new, but can be had used on EBAY, sometimes for less than $4k, for sure under $4500, you just have to keep your eye out for them.

I am also looking at purchasing a Red after the first of the year. I already have a 150mm Sachtler I use with my Arri BL4S, which will work great for bigger shoots, but plan on buying used 20 for my smaller work. I shoot 90% commercials, some bigger than the others so my package will need to be flexible between studio and lightweight configurations.

I also already have Arri Studio 15mm 4x4 and 5x6 matte boxes, FF2 follow focus, rods and dovetail, chroziel lightweight 4x4 matte box, rods follow focus, which I will adapt to the RED package. I also a 5 ton grip/light truck so will not need anything in that area.

Good luck.... If you are interested, this is what I tentatively plan on buying, not 100% complete yet...still researching some aks, handheld rigs (etc). If anyone sees anything glaringly missing from my list let me know as well. Thanks Jeff

Red One Camera Body
Red Pro LCD 7”
LCD Cable
Red EVF
EVF Cable
Red Flash Module CF
Red Power Pak
Red Charger
Additional Red batteries (5) total
Red Drive (2)
Drive Cable 18 inch (2)
Drive Cable 6 ft
Compact Flsh 8g (6)
Focus Hook

ET
15mm Bridge plate
Topside Cheese plate Combo
Cheese Stick
Shock mount

Longvalley
15mm lightweight adapter
 
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