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Fixed Lens Functionality?

Jerrod Cordell

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I posted this over at Scarlet User, but I thought I'd go ahead and post it here too.

One of the biggest concerns with Scarlet 1.0 was the functionality of the lens. Everyone was concerned because Scarlet only had a focus ring in the front and then an unknown "User" ring in the back. I, like some others, assumed the ring in the back would be programmable and switchable with the User 1, 2, 3, and 4 buttons.

Old Scarlet Back
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But now, that "User" ring is gone, and so far I only see one lens ring.

New Scarlet Front, Only the one focus ring
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I think it would still be nice to have a focus, zoom, and iris ring in the front. Just like the rest of their lenses. I just think only having a focus ring, and a rocker zoom wouldn't give it a very professional feel.

Unless Red has something up their sleeve that we still don't know about. ;)
 
I agree. Having amazing and professional features like 3K recording, 150fps burst etc but relegating iris and zoom functionality into to the menu/rocker/dial would be an odd choice. Still, I'm sure that RED have something wonderful up their sleeves...
 
I definatly want three rings on my lens, and real manual ones too. However.....the specs say "Fly-by-wire" so I would imagine that even if the lens does have three rings, they won't be directly coupled.

OT....."Three rings on my lens".....Shades of JRRT "Three Rings For The Elven Kings..." or Lee Marvin "Three Wheals on my Wagon"...

Oh dear, must stop rambling
 
In addition to that last post, I'd like to say this: the fewer features, the better. A digital camera needs the following:

ISO
WB
Speed Select
Shutter

And that's about it... No AF, no auto iris, no bells and whistles. So, no need for motorized focus, iris, or zoom. So, full manual control is possible.
 
Is second picture really fixed Scarlet?
 
I believe a few months back Jim stated that for legal reasons the renders shown would not be to complete spec. Things like focus rings would be an obvious choices to leave of the renders.
 
Having grown up as a photographer in the days before auto anything, when TTL exposure meant matching a needle in the viewfinder, I find todays lenses, even Canon L unsatisfacory when it comes to controls.
Oh yes, and build quality too....I recenly dug out an ancient Vivitar 35-105 f/3.5 zoom, that wasn't expensive new, and put it next to my 24-105 L. Oh dear, the new lens felt "cheap" by comparison, the old lens was solid metal, with real focus zoom and iris rings that felt like they were connected to real metal parts inside, the new just felt....remote I suppose you could say.
So what I'm saying basicaly is I don't like fly-by-wire, and would really hope Red gives us real manual rings on the Fixed 2/3" Scarlet, as I don't think I could afford anything more up-market.
Dave
 
Petr Dvorak said:
Is second picture really fixed Scarlet?
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It looks like it. The mini-primes look different from the fixed lens.

David Swan said:
Having grown up as a photographer in the days before auto anything, when TTL exposure meant matching a needle in the viewfinder, I find todays lenses, even Canon L unsatisfacory when it comes to controls.
Oh yes, and build quality too....I recenly dug out an ancient Vivitar 35-105 f/3.5 zoom, that wasn't expensive new, and put it next to my 24-105 L. Oh dear, the new lens felt "cheap" by comparison, the old lens was solid metal, with real focus zoom and iris rings that felt like they were connected to real metal parts inside, the new just felt....remote I suppose you could say.
So what I'm saying basicaly is I don't like fly-by-wire, and would really hope Red gives us real manual rings on the Fixed 2/3" Scarlet, as I don't think I could afford anything more up-market.
Dave
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This is the original professional camera Red promised the prosumer market a year ago. It's going to have to have a good balance between auto and manual. If you want full manual, get the interchangeable lens Scarlet. I think I've heard that 2/3" lenses are a lot cheaper than cine-35mm lenses.
 
It's not just the resolution that's the "problem", it's the pixel pitch. The s35 should be a lot easier on the glass even though it's 5k res.
All we've seen so far are Renders, and Jim has said before that they are not truly what will become metal, only an "artists impression", so maybe there will be more than one ring on the lens, only Red knows the answer to that, and they're not telling....yet:biggrin:
 
Im guessing they will stick with a rocker zoom and one ring on the lens -- the fact is the lens will most likely have some sort of electronic servo control (therefore no mechanical connection between the ring on the lens and the moving parts inside the lens.

From the research I've done, it would cost significantly more for them to incorporate mechanical controls -- B4 mount and s16 zooms are QUITE expensive (14000-28000).

My main concern with the fixed lens isnt the method of control input (I personally hate zooms 99% of the time). However, I do love contrasting wide, standard, and tele shots to achieve different depths of field. Naturally, the interchangeable red mini primes look very appealing, but I REALLY dont want any debris getting on my $2500 sensor (not to mention the cost of a complete set). And it would be nice to be able to run and gun if desired.
Anyways, here is my concern: will the lens maintain a consistent T-stop throughout the zoom range? Or will tele shots be inherently dimmer?
 
ReddBaronn said:
Anyways, here is my concern: will the lens maintain a consistent T-stop throughout the zoom range? Or will tele shots be inherently dimmer?
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good question.
really starting to want either the fixed or 2/3" scarlet for pet projects.
(in addition to the Epic X or FF35 Monstro brain).
 
ReddBaronn said:
Im guessing they will stick with a rocker zoom and one ring on the lens -- the fact is the lens will most likely have some sort of electronic servo control (therefore no mechanical connection between the ring on the lens and the moving parts inside the lens.

From the research I've done, it would cost significantly more for them to incorporate mechanical controls -- B4 mount and s16 zooms are QUITE expensive (14000-28000).

My main concern with the fixed lens isnt the method of control input (I personally hate zooms 99% of the time). However, I do love contrasting wide, standard, and tele shots to achieve different depths of field. Naturally, the interchangeable red mini primes look very appealing, but I REALLY dont want any debris getting on my $2500 sensor (not to mention the cost of a complete set). And it would be nice to be able to run and gun if desired.
Anyways, here is my concern: will the lens maintain a consistent T-stop throughout the zoom range? Or will tele shots be inherently dimmer?
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We were promised a consistent T-stop some time ago, before the December announcements. It may have been T2.8, please correct me if I'm wrong.

I doubt RED would renege on this claim although "all specifications and dates are subject to change. Count on it and you wont be dissapointed." :shifty:
 
Jim is maintaining it is the best piece of glass on a fixed camera anywhere on the market. get the feeling its gonna super sweet and retain its beautiful light throughout the range.
 
Eren Ozkural said:
We were promised a consistent T-stop some time ago, before the December announcements. It may have been T2.8, please correct me if I'm wrong.
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I am happy to report that you are wrong -- it's supposed to be a constant T2.4, about a half stop faster.
 
That's certainly good to here!

What are the chances of the lens outputting accurate focal length measurements? (not "8x", but, say, 6.5mm -- 52mm)
 
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