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The "Pick your Brain" Poll

The "Pick your Brain" Poll

  • Scarlet 2/3" Fixed Zoom

    Votes: 22 7.2%

  • Scarlet 2/3"

    Votes: 22 7.2%

  • Scarlet S35

    Votes: 60 19.5%

  • Scarlet FF35

    Votes: 47 15.3%

  • Epic X S35

    Votes: 52 16.9%

  • Epic S35

    Votes: 8 2.6%

  • Epic FF35

    Votes: 63 20.5%

  • Epic 645

    Votes: 18 5.9%

  • Epic 617

    Votes: 15 4.9%
  • Total voters
    307
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Ok people, I'm surprised this hasn't already been done yet so I thought I'd put it up. (If it has I missed it and apologise!)

I'd like to pick your brain as to which brain(s) you'll pick (See what I did there! OK it was lame I know :)).

I have some predictions but won't post them until later.
 
By the way the poll is private and you can vote for multiple brains, idea being if you plan on upgrading to another brain later. Obviously don't pick loads that you'd like, simply the first and how you reckon you might upgrade later.

Paul
 
Isn't the FF35mm Monstro practically a S35mm Monstro + more [bigger sensor, resolutioon and DR].

Are there things on the S35mm brain that can't be done on the FF35mm?
 
Here's my predicament:

-I would love to buy the S35 SCARLET for it's resolution and compatability with a wide variety of still lenses that I can buy while giving me the flexibility to rent good cine glass for higher profile projects.

-However, I can get the 2/3 Fixed Lens SCARLET for much cheaper, I can shoot out the box and perhaps most crucially it can shoot at 150fps in burst mode.

-Sure, the 2/3 SCARLET CINE would let me use whatever 16mm and 2/3 lenses i need and thus be alot more flexible and "professional" however the prices of good 16mm/HD Fujinon lenses would mean that I could only rent them instead of owning a set of primes or a zoom. Sure there are the RED mini primes but I have no idea what so ever as to what they will eventually cost.

-Since the 2/3 Fixed Lens SCARLET has a substantially different design that the rest of the DSMC line I'm not sure if it will be compatable with all the modules required for a proper cine setup. i.e I doubt that I can build up the Fixed Lens 2/3 SCARLET and then just buy another brain later on.

-The S35 SCARLET is the first model to ship however the massive initial demand, the model's apparent popularity and RED's "fashionably late" delivery times mean that I probably won't get one until the winter at best....which is when the 2/3 Fixed Lens SCARLET is due...

Any ideas guys? I mainly shoot music videos and short films with an eye to shooting a feature within the next 2 years.

Thanks. :)
 
David Mullen ASC said:
Well, an EPIC S35 with a 16-bit Monstro sensor is what I'd like to use the most... but that's not an option, is it? So I guess that leaves the FF35...
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This is my wish too

Scarlet S35 with 16bit Monstro sensor (the added DR this would really make the Scarlet) Hell don't say this but I'd even pay a little more for this than for the proposed FF35.
4/5K whichever would be fine by me, its the 13+ stops DR I'm after.
With 1-125 frame Rates up to 3K including 1080p/Quad HD
1-60/100 for 4/5K

FF35 is really overkill for Scarlet in my opinion. Not that I wouldn't like one but the S35 is the one that fits in with current production formats and lenses. In this price range the S35 Monstro option makes the most sense to me.
This would really make the Scarlet the camera of choice in this price range. Game over everything else, Panasonic, Sony, Canon would all be playing catch up.

Just my 2 Cents
 
David Mullen ASC said:
Well, an EPIC S35 with a 16-bit Monstro sensor is what I'd like to use the most... but that's not an option, is it? So I guess that leaves the FF35...
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I think a lot of people want this.

Maybe it should be its own specific polling thread to show how many people want it... sort of like a petition. :shifty:
 
Decisions made on faulty or incomplete intelligence tend to result in unintended consequences.

Here's what I need to determine:

1. How will the images from the Scarlet FF35 compare with images from the Epic X? If they are so close they may be intercut with transparency, one might make one decision; if the Scarlet FF35 is so obviously superior that no one wants to shoot with Epic X, quite another decision must be made.

2. How long after the Epic X is delivered will the Monstro cameras ship? If it's a few months, less than six, one might be inclined to hold one's breath. If the interval is much longer, a year perhaps, the Epic X upgrade becomes increasingly attractive.

3. Which package is more valuable for general commercial shooting: a single Epic FF35 or a package with two bodies; one Epic X and one Scarlet FF35? I've never had a shoot killer problem with my Red One, but tragedies do occur. A back up body can save the day. Both of these packages, one Epic FF35 or one Epic X and a Scarlet FF35 cost about the same, so money is not really an issue.

I'm leaning toward the two body scheme, but have this very unpleasant feeling that Mysterium X cameras may be totally eclipsed by the Monstro; that could have unfavorable economic consequences for Epic X owners.

Q. When does the best price/performance camera in the world lose much of it's luster?

A. When it becomes the second-best price/performance camera in the world.

In due course, we're likely to get the information we need to make the best choice for our circumstances.

Red. Revolutionary. Really.

Good shooting and best regards,

Leo
 
David Mullen ASC said:
Well, an EPIC S35 with a 16-bit Monstro sensor is what I'd like to use the most... but that's not an option, is it? So I guess that leaves the FF35...
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I chose Epic X S35 and Scarlet FF35. This way I have two bodies (one backup): one body capable of high frame rates and the second capable of 16-bit. Also, the X S35 will ship earlier than Epic FF35. I think this is the best combination (for me, of course :) )
 
Jason Ing said:
I think a lot of people want this.

Maybe it should be its own specific polling thread to show how many people want it... sort of like a petition. :shifty:
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David said what I want - that doesn't exist.

Pawel's plan is also my plan, given the current line up.
 
I'm a little surprised anyone has put the Epic S35, I expected this to be zero frankly... afterall who would buy this over buying a RedOne now and trading in for the Epic S35x???? Seriously who?

Also I agree Pawel, I can see a whole bunch of people buying this setup. Live with the 11 stops for the slow motion stuff on the S35x and use the FF35 scarlet for typical 24,25 fps footage.

Paul
 
Scarlet FF35 for me. I'll take a 4K S35mm crop over the S35's 5K, for 16-bit and 13 stops of DR (the dynamic range is more important to me than outright resolution).

I'd also consider getting a Scarlet 2/3" for those times when I need higher frame rates (but I suspect I'd probably prefer to just rent an Epic brain on those occasions instead).
 
S35for me, if I can possibly swing it. 11 stops will be fine, thank you, and I don't need that many different frame rates.
 
Till, a S35mm-sized crop on the 6K FF35 sensor is going to yield a roughly 4K image. Along with the extra dynamic range you're after. I think it'll match your needs pretty well.

As for 30fops, it looks great played at 24fps for those moments you want to slow things down ever-so-slightly (reaction shots primarily).
 
Scarlet FF35 and either Scarlet fixed or cinema depending on how the accessories/cost/miniprimes play out.
 
Grug said:
Scarlet FF35 for me. I'll take a 4K S35mm crop over the S35's 5K, for 16-bit and 13 stops of DR (the dynamic range is more important to me than outright resolution).
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If both came out at the same time, that's one thing. But the S35 Scarlet is currently scheduled for Summer '09 release, and the FF35 is scheduled for half a year later. Because it will be a new sensor technology (Monstro) my gut feeling is that it may take even longer than that. We'll have to see in mid-'09.

Also, the S35 Scarlet with Mysterium X should theoretically have greater dynamic range than the RED ONE, so that's good enough for me. :ninja:
 
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