Question

[sbcooler]

If I compare the 2/3 inch sensor to the F35 to the FF35 with the same exact shot set up with the same lighting, will I see more detail (resolution) and dynamic range in the FF35 than the F35 than the 2/3 sensor?

I realize DOF will change based on the focal length and f-stop...but I'd like to see a comparison of each for a still shot...without blowing it up would it be obvious to the human eye?

And lastly, and MOST importantly, if I am shooting at 30 frames per second with all 3 cams and comparing them, would someone with normal eyesight be able to see the difference between the final output of these 3 cams?

I mean they are all shooting at such high resolution, frame rates, etc...just real curious if you showed an experienced person a 30 second clip of all 3 one after the next if they could tell you which is which??? Or would it be too close to distinguish?

Anyone have a guess on this?

 

[Katty Galloo]

If I compare the 2/3 inch sensor to the F35 to the FF35 with the same exact shot set up with the same lighting, will I see more detail (resolution) and dynamic range in the FF35 than the F35 than the 2/3 sensor?

I realize DOF will change based on the focal length and f-stop...but I'd like to see a comparison of each for a still shot...without blowing it up would it be obvious to the human eye?

And lastly, and MOST importantly, if I am shooting at 30 frames per second with all 3 cams and comparing them, would someone with normal eyesight be able to see the difference between the final output of these 3 cams?

I mean they are all shooting at such high resolution, frame rates, etc...just real curious if you showed an experienced person a 30 second clip of all 3 one after the next if they could tell you which is which??? Or would it be too close to distinguish?

Anyone have a guess on this?

About the difference between 2/3 and s35 I can asure you there will be
a lot of difference!
The sensor s35 provides more dynamic range S/N, better low light conditions
, better DOF and a lot more. Its a kind of logical. The s35 CMOS is allmost 6times bigger. However you will have allready a verry good of all of this with the 2/4 sensor also.And CMOS is a lot better than CCD.

With the Scarlet 3K you would have more then enoug to shoot digital cinema. The biggest Barco cinema projector his highest resolution is 2k for screens up to 30meters. So we can assume that in the cinema the eqivalent of the 2K projected image is practicaly the same as 35 mm film projection.
So the bigger or even huge sensors is only to shoot better quality and then to down convert to 3 or 2K. I mean what machine or monitor can project higer then 2,3 or 4 K ??
Only speculation, so don't shoot me!

Euro girl

 

[sbcooler]

Hey

Hey

Thanks for your message. I know the sensor for S35 is much bigger than the 2/3 inch sensor. I just want to say the U2 3D movie that came out was shot on Sony f950's and to me that looked great on the big screen no less in 3D...so I am wondering how much better it would look if we compared that to say Scarlets 2/3" and S35? Would it be obvious or would we have to examine each frame to really see that extra dynamic range, detail, etc...I mean the Sony F950 (for like $110,000) I thought did a nice job. I did notice some highlights blown out though and wonder how much if at all the Scarlet or Epic improve on that characteristic.

I also am real curious if the Scarlet S35 would have a fully auto mode for a concert like setting where the focus and lighting is just too difficult for manual modes? I understand the 2/3" will have a fully auto mode, but will the S35?

By the way I hear Sony has a 4K projector..so things don't necessarily have to be downscaled much if at all...I really wonder if I and anyone could see much of a difference between a 2K and 4K projector with the same material shot at 4K and shown at 4K thru a 4K projector and then another video downscaled to 2K for the 2K projector.

RED people must view these images and moving pictures I'd guess and compared the difference between 2K and 4K moving pictures?

 

[Leaf Baimbridge]

I think in general, the average person isn't going to be able to tell the difference between the varied image resolutions. The final look of an image has more to do with the expertise of the people capturing the image rather than the quality of the image sensor. Having a good post colorist helps as well. Projected side by side it might be more apparent.

 

[Katty Galloo]

Thanks for your message. I know the sensor for S35 is much bigger than the 2/3 inch sensor. I just want to say the U2 3D movie that came out was shot on Sony f950's and to me that looked great on the big screen no less in 3D...so I am wondering how much better it would look if we compared that to say Scarlets 2/3" and S35? Would it be obvious or would we have to examine each frame to really see that extra dynamic range, detail, etc...I mean the Sony F950 (for like $110,000) I thought did a nice job. I did notice some highlights blown out though and wonder how much if at all the Scarlet or Epic improve on that characteristic.

I also am real curious if the Scarlet S35 would have a fully auto mode for a concert like setting where the focus and lighting is just too difficult for manual modes? I understand the 2/3" will have a fully auto mode, but will the S35?

By the way I hear Sony has a 4K projector..so things don't necessarily have to be downscaled much if at all...I really wonder if I and anyone could see much of a difference between a 2K and 4K projector with the same material shot at 4K and shown at 4K thru a 4K projector and then another video downscaled to 2K for the 2K projector.

RED people must view these images and moving pictures I'd guess and compared the difference between 2K and 4K moving pictures?

Hey,

You can expect a lot of diference from Scarlet I gues. First of all the images a pure and raw to what I heard, so this alone is a major step forward.
Most of the Pro cameras, Sony Pana, JVC, they all use a quit high compression altouch they claim not. I have seen RED data on a Mac of a collegue shot with his Redone. And I must say I have never seen any images of that quality on any other Pro camera, it was stunning really, butifull, crisp and sharp image and collors, no blow highlights and a real cinematic look and feel. So I think nothing will beat this RED collection in the next few years. The way I see it, I think with the S35 you would have everything in the house to shoot great cinema up to 5K. But the question is only when are cimema's going to have projectors of 5K? BARCO is worldwide company who has sold allready a mass of these 2K projectors, that means something wright! I mean it has all to do with the storage ans transfer format for these projectors. So we have to face it that eventualy we have to pulldown to 2K and standard HD for distribution unless you keep your 4 or 5K for a scan to film.

About the auto focus mode on S35 have I heard nothing, so lets hope it's on it. I can indeed be handy for for fast working.

PS: I have seen that the Sony f950's has 3-CCD sensors and I kow that all CCD cameras suffer from blown out highlights. CMOS sensors are far better and don't suffer from that becourse its the same sensors like DSLR, so look at the images of a good brand DSLR megapixel and you see the quality.
So to what I think? Scarlet 2/3 or S35 will beat this baby in no time!


Euro girl

 

[sbcooler]

Thanks

Thanks

Thanks for your reply. Yeah I suppose it would be interesting seeing a Red Scarlet 2/3 sensor side by side with the same material shot with the S35 sensor.

I am interested to know what senior members and RED thinks of this comparison? I mean if we downres to 2K on the best projectors today will it be obvious the difference between the 2/3 sensor and the S35 all things being equal but this difference?

 

[Katty Galloo]

Hey,

Yes it would be interesting, but honestly I don't expect to much optical difference at the first sight or for the casual movie-watcher.
As I said, the greatest difference to expect I think will be 'low' light, S/N,DOF ,dynamic range etc.. so I think its rather the choice of the professional himself
how he wants to shoot on set. And of course the choice for a bigger sensor is always better but depends of your budget and post-production facilities.

Euro girl