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Some explanation & apologies……

And no offense, David, but if my calculations and understanding is correct, then your calculations are not correct.
 
I have not seen ONE RED person respond in this thread to confirm whether ANY of this information is correct.

I am just looking for CLEAR information..

What I READ yesterday was that a RED ONE 17.5 upgrade would require an ADDITIONAL 10.5K to buy and EPIC BRAIN with MYSTERIUM X with the accesories to create "working camera" FREE.

What am I missing?

RED.
Please help dispell any speculation.

FACTS. FACTS. FACTS.

This is all I give a shit about in this sea of hype and bullshit.

David
 
Good. A confirmation. And I'm reading other threads with a lot of users saying the same thing.

You're right David.

And my calculations are based on the brochure. Facts.

Bottom line: $10.5 more to get an Epic X Limited Edition.
 
For existing R1 owners, the previous (3rd Dec) cost of an s35 was $10K
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OK, I get it. This is the line that was throwing me. I assume now that you meant Nov 14 as the previous cost? It sounded like there was a response buried in the 100+ page response thread that gave us an extra $10k.
 
Chris,
thanks I changed the date of 'previous announcement' from 3 Dec to 13 Nov. Dave

what's up for conjecture is the free accessories are worth 10K and a second hand Epic S35 is worth about (or less) a new Epic FF35.
 
The previous cost (Nov. 13) was $28k for an S35 brain only minus the 17.5k credit. The upgrade is 10.5k.

It's exactly the same now: 10.5K. Except Jim is throwing in three modules that will give you a working camera for free (and a slightly better Mysterium X Sensor, I think).
 
David,

Jim said the accessories are free!

They're not worth 10k.

I think you're saying that so you can feel better about it and make it seem like we're getting a free camera. You're switching the numbers around. The "conjecture" is you trying to come to terms with this 10.5k figure.

I don't mean any disrespect, but you're starting completely false rumors that even Mark Pederson is repeating in another thread.
 
Thomas Koch said:
I don't think the modules will be 10K. Think about it. CF module for RED ONE is $500. Batteries are $1500. IO and control panel are the unknowns. I can't imagine it would be $8000 for those two items.
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The modules should be under a $1000 each(not including Lenses)? :detective2: Here are links that show some tech, and prices.
http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/10/13/tiny-43-inch-usb-powered-lcd-monitor/
http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/21/nec-creates-tiny-full-hd-compatible-lcd-module/
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/387810-REG/Marantz__PMD_660K_Portable_Compact.html#features
http://www.acetoolonline.com/Produc...m_medium=shoppingengine&utm_source=googlebase
http://www.pricewatch.com/hard_removable_drives/ssd_128gb.htm
I know Red will have better tech than theses, with different prices, when the brains arrive.

Jason Ing said:
Guys, I'm starting to feel retarded here. What am I missing?

Let's try to find some facts we can all agree on just by reading the brochure:

Fact 1) Red One = $17.5k credit
Fact 2) Modules are "at no additional cost"
Fact 3) Epic X listed price is $28k (brain, cf module, io module, battery module)
Fact 4) There is a $10.5k difference.
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That is correct!
 
My take is.

10.5k you get an S35-X
and you still need the riser, top mounts etc

4.5k you make your R1 into an S35
your current stuff works.

If you want a FF35 (which seems to be Davids concern) you have two paths.

Take the S35-X path.
$10.5k
Lets say $2k more in accessories.
Then a FF35 brain at $33k.

Total : $45.5k

David has assumed that you will sell the S35 brain for $8k. I will assume $15k as I would pay it for a $28k device assuming it's in good condition. (This makes the X series modules free to you.)

$45.5
- 15
-----
$30.5k total cost of an R! to S35X to FF35 path.

Hold on to your R1 and take the FF35 trade in:
$33k
- $17k
------
$16k

Lets call AKS $10.5k (an educated guess that RED is allowing the R1 to trade for the S35 and charging for the Modules only)
$16
+ $10.5
------
$26.5k

Plus the $2k in AKS

$28.5k

So as far as I see it there is a marginal difference ($2k*) for the two paths if FF35 is your goal.

Now if you get impatient while waiting for the FF35 and pay the $4.5k to upgrade the R1 now it is 2k more expensive of a path. Either way, the paths are with in a roughly 2k tolerance.

The question for me is, what specs would one expect from the R1 with the new sensors? If I put a X sensor into an R1 will it come with the various components to allow it to hit the same bench marks as the S35?


*(If the three modules CF, I/O and battery are actually less than 10.5k then the wait for the FF35 path gets way better.)
** Again this is all assuming that you want the FF35 and will only own one brain.
 
J. Eric Camp said:
The question for me is, what specs would one expect from the R1 with the new sensors? If I put a X sensor into an R1 will it come with the various components to allow it to hit the same bench marks as the S35?
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Yes Mr. Camp. The $64,000 question.

Will Red One upgraded to Mysterium-X do everything and MORE than the Scarlet S35??

Again, big question for MANY here is ... WHEN can they get that M-X chip in their Red One.

I bet Mysterium-X (in the Red One) will handle eveything. I bet MONSTRO will not. Maybe MONSTRO will require board change, etc. maybe the upgrade is more money ..?
 
and will a R1 with upgraded mysterium-x have the same specs as a Epic-x brain? That's my big question
 
Mark L. Pederson said:
He's just speculating. It is conjecture.
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I understand that. But it's a different kind of speculating and conjecture. He's switching numbers. He's trying to account for the 10k difference; which is the price difference in upgrading, not modules. He's trying to make it seem like the Epic X is free so he feels better about it.

You took the 10k and speculated, like David, that it is somehow tied to the modules. But the modules are free! 10k is for the upgrade.
 
Shawn Nelson said:
and will a R1 with upgraded mysterium-x have the same specs as a Epic-x brain? That's my big question
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I got the feeling it would be better.

"Mysterium X" Redcode is 225.

"Mysterium X Select" Redcode is listed at 250. And Jarred said it was the best in the litter.
 
im going to go out on a limb and say the accessories (mods) will be a little bit more expensive than the speculated (under 1000)
its a much more complex system and a cf or recording mod will not be just a card, but a series of complex circuitry. I would guess 3-4 grand per module.
 
There are really just two crucial questions that no one is going to be able to answer just now:

Question 1: What REDCode will an updated RED One operate at? (Currently, it is REDCode 36. The new Epic-X will run REDCode 250. That is a HUGE amount of difference.)

Question 2: Assuming that an updated RED One will NOT use the same REDCode, what VISUAL difference will there be between the two REDCodes?

Any conjecture?

Stephen
 
uh oh! Could this thread be the prelude to complaining and bitching?

Oh I feel it coming back again
Like a rolling thunder chasing the wind...
 
Isn't one of the points to the new cameras is to have better, faster "guts", allowing faster data rates and frame rates?

When Jim and the RED team first developed the R1 it was over 2 years ago with slower circuitry boards and incorporated technology that now seems ancient compared to what the Epic and Scarlet will be able to do.

If the R1 is able to do REDcode 225, I'll be extremely impressed (and who wouldn't be), but I feel that the inner architecture of the R1 won't be able to do it. If this proves to be wrong in the future then consider me wrong.
 
Jason, you’re correct. I’m wrong.
The RHS of the Epic X equation gives you an Epic FF35 plus $10K (or X dollars) worth of accessories.
Thanks for you’re persistence!

For existing R1 owners, the R1/Epic X upgrade path to a FF35 will be $0K + $33K - $8K = $25K = EpicFF35 + $10k accessories
For existing R1 owners, the R1/ FF35 upgrade path to a FF35 will be $5K + $33K - $17K =$21K +$10K = EpicFF35 + $10k accessories

This is the case if the free accessories are worth $10K. If we find they’re worth only $5K the equations become….

For existing R1 owners, the R1/Epic X upgrade path to a FF35 will be $5K + $33K - $8K = $30K = EpicFF35 + $5k accessories
For existing R1 owners, the R1/ FF35 upgrade path to a FF35 will be $5K + $33K - $17K = $21K +$5K = EpicFF35 +$5k accessories

So if the accessories are worth say $7.5K and your 2nd hand Epic S35 is worth close to a new Scarlet FF35, the two upgrade paths will be very similar. I guess we’ll have to wait on Jim’s accessory price.

Thanks,
Dave
 
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