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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

im just wondering.. why beign hostile?

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I was just wondering by reading some forums, why does people get so personal and hostile when discussing workflows and softwares? its just silly... im a scratch user and scratch its a soft that appears to generate a love//hate feeling on people hahaha it's just that i cant understand.
im all for civilized discussions and cool software and hardware but there is no need to get so rough or trying to underrate others ways. or am i missing something here?


just a thought... :whistling: :umm:
 
Juan_M_P said:
I was just wondering by reading some forums, why does people get so personal and hostile when discussing workflows and softwares? its just silly... im a scratch user and scratch its a soft that appears to generate a love//hate feeling on people hahaha it's just that i cant understand.
im all for civilized discussions and cool software and hardware but there is no need to get so rough or trying to underrate others ways. or am i missing something here?


just a thought... :whistling: :umm:
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Cause once upon a time, someone said Mac's were better than PC...

Thus everything has been divided...:)
 
If Scratch was priced like FCP, all hostility would vanish in a second.
 
LEON said:
If Scratch was priced like FCP, all hostility would vanish in a second.
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Right... And who cares about how the developers at scratch make a living right?

The Mac vs PC thing probably has something to do with it. Also here on reduser people seem to think they deserve everything at dirt cheap. They don't think about the costs of developing any of this stuff, or the employees actually getting paid.

By the way, I'm definitely not one who can afford a Scratch setup, although I wish I could. I will be happy using Color in the meantime, and if somehow a project I'm working on actually gets to be distributed in 4K, then I'll also have enough money from investors to invest in Scratch. That's the way I see it.
 
Juan_M_P said:
I was just wondering by reading some forums, why does people get so personal and hostile when discussing workflows and softwares? its just silly... im a scratch user and scratch its a soft that appears to generate a love//hate feeling on people hahaha it's just that i cant understand.
im all for civilized discussions and cool software and hardware but there is no need to get so rough or trying to underrate others ways. or am i missing something here?


just a thought... :whistling: :umm:
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I was about to start a thread stating a little of what you have said. :) Anyway, I believe during these times we should take a breather and work on how to overcome all these struggles and anxiousness. These times are meant to for breakthrough not breakdown. Just my 2 dollars(due to inflation). lol
 
Zac Crosby said:
Cause once upon a time, someone said Mac's were better than PC...

Thus everything has been divided...:)
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Revisionist history, I call foul!

It wasn't like that at all. I know, I was there.

Someone said that PCs were better than Macs. This was after the PC makers stole the Mac GUI.

heh.
 
Maybe its the workflow?

Maybe its the workflow?

Your point about people being hostile is spot on, and I don't understand it either. There is no excuse, but that aside, since Assimilate Scratch seems to (currently) be the only system that can edit and finish with Red raw files, it is the envy of many of us who must slog through the roundabout workflows and negotiate a minefield of beta release software that is inadequately supported. This kind of support is LONG OVERDUE. Still I make the most of it and enjoy working with Red footage and doing my grading in Color. No hostility from this end of the post workflow, just sacrifice to provide solutions.

Juan_M_P said:
I was just wondering by reading some forums, why does people get so personal and hostile when discussing workflows and softwares? its just silly... im a scratch user and scratch its a soft that appears to generate a love//hate feeling on people hahaha it's just that i cant understand.
im all for civilized discussions and cool software and hardware but there is no need to get so rough or trying to underrate others ways. or am i missing something here?


just a thought... :whistling: :umm:
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Zac Crosby said:
Cause once upon a time, someone said Mac's were better than PC...

Thus everything has been divided...:)
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And the Linux users just ignore us both.
 
For years we tolerate incomplete software that insults our common sense with the amateur handling in the QA or in arrogant behavior towards to clients.

The collective frustration results to very little tolerance towards to manufactures that are exhibiting this kind of attitude.

Please excuses me if I'm wrong, but I thing that as users we deserve respect and we expecting not to throw in our face attitude in most hostile way...

So I thing its expected a reaction to the above attitude.

In every action there is always a reaction. It is the simplest axiom in physics....

And its our duty towards to the coming generations not to allow this to happen in the future.

Of coarse there is always the choice to sleep and not stand forward.
 
Brian Langeman said:
Right... And who cares about how the developers at scratch make a living right?

Also here on reduser people seem to think they deserve everything at dirt cheap. They don't think about the costs of developing any of this stuff, or the employees actually getting paid.

By the way, I'm definitely not one who can afford a Scratch setup. I will be happy using Color in the meantime, and if somehow a project I'm working on actually gets to be distributed in 4K, then I'll also have enough money from investors to invest in Scratch. That's the way I see it.
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scratch is not the post heaven.
the post heaven doesnt have access to the raw.

the poor and what you forget to write down is that the rich are also pissed!
you can research yourself which projects are finished on which system.

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i just can talk for myself.
 
Zakaree Sandberg said:
republican vs democrat
Christianity vs Muslim
so on...
it happens
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With the due respect, I am Christian (Roman Catholic) and I have nothing against my brothers Muslims. On the contrary, we share the same God and Father.
 
Hi all

Am pretty new here but I also find this a somewhat hostile environment.

One of the things that I do is run a Final Cut Pro User Group in a large city in Europe. No prizes for guessing which.

Something that I obsevere among "our" users are what I call a lot of "One man shows."

People who have got a toe in the door some where and are desperately trying to get their foot in.

Often they are terrified of passing on information for fear of someone else getting the better hand.

Just don´t get it because something that I have learnt the hard way is that it is not about what you know it is about being able to get access to the right information at the right time.......:clown2:
 
The problem raised when people got aware that only scratch could use efficiently the R3D media.

RED and Scratch had (and still have) a bounding contrat that put other companies behind competition. There have been lots of arguments for and against Assimilates monopole on handling R3D. Some tell it's natural due to their early support to RED and other just got pissed off to have to use buggy tools to decode R3D.

Now the SDK has been released since 2 months. There is still a lot of homework to do from RED to get a full SDK also for linux... Lots of post solution developers would like to have acces to the debayer (as for Scratch) and not to the RGB data wich heavily diminish the processing speed of the CPU.

There is a lot to say about other (non Scratch) system owner to be upset, but future will level the troubles as SDK will evolve, and now, with color supporting R3D, lots of talk have been stopped.

More post solutions support will leave you Scratch user in peace!

It's not (only) a matter of Mac VS PC.

Patrick
 
Juan M. P. - I saw that name and thought for a moment that Reel-Stream was in the forum. Sadly this doesn't appear to be the case, unless Juan went to work for Assimilate? and changed his middle initial to M. On second thought your name looks nothing like his.
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MAZDA TITAN HISTORY
 
Patrick Tresch said:
RED and Scratch had (and still have) a bounding contrat that put other companies behind competition.
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Hi Patrick - just fyi - this is not true. ASSIMILATE does not and has never had any kind of written contract with RED about R3D exclusivity.

Yes, RED gave us a substantial headstart... because we were the only company (other than Apple) that believed in RED from day1, when most people still thought Jim was just a crackpot. And at that time, we diverted very significant resources to working with RED to give them a workflow at the high-end. It was a big enough gamble for us that if RED would have crashed and burned, and the RED ONE would have never happened, it would have taken us a long time as a company to recover. Turns out, it was a gamble that paid off!

But the idea that we are somehow tying RED's hands with an exclusivity contract is 100% false.

Lucas
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ASSIMILATE, inc.
LA, CA, USA
 
luki said:
Hi Patrick - just fyi - this is not true. ASSIMILATE does not and has never had any kind of written contract with RED about R3D exclusivity.

Yes, RED gave us a substantial headstart... because we were the only company (other than Apple) that believed in RED from day1, when most people still thought Jim was just a crackpot. And at that time, we diverted very significant resources to working with RED to give them a workflow at the high-end. It was a big enough gamble for us that if RED would have crashed and burned, and the RED ONE would have never happened, it would have taken us a long time as a company to recover. Turns out, it was a gamble that paid off!

But the idea that we are somehow tying RED's hands with an exclusivity contract is 100% false.

Lucas
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ASSIMILATE, inc.
LA, CA, USA
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Lucas, you should have posted this a long time ago. (Or maybe you did and I missed it)
 
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