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PL mounts on Scarlet FF35 and Epic FF35

Stephen Williams said:
Hi,

You higlight the reason why there is little 65mm shot, there are so many more lense options available for S35 or Anaomorphic 35.
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That's part of the reason, but the cameras are also hard to come by and the film is bloody expensive. At $12,000 for a FF35 Scarlet, that equation is totally changed.
 
Hi,

Arri has plenty of 765's sitting on the shelf, they rent for half the price of an Arricam but rarely leave the shelves. Panavision even has a very light 65mm for hand holding.

Stephen
 
And that has what to do with the price of 65mm film? The expense of processing and difficulty of managing and scanning that film? The inability to project that film anywhere without some sort of costly conversion? I'm just saying I don't think lens availability is the only or primary reason that people aren't shooting 65mm regularly. If it was cheap and managable, more people would. Inexpensive digital offerings in this area will change this, because moving data around between sizes and formats is easy.
 
Not to mention the weight of a 765 plus film is also a problem.

Shooting to redcode at 9k IMHO is where real advantage will be. data rates will probably be high but manageable and the cost of bad takes doesn't pile up.
 
Jannard said:
...on EPIC only!

Jim
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Why would a FF35 sensor not allow anamorphic? it's a smaller area than FF35!
Are you saying you just wouldn't allow it as a sensor crop option on the Scarlet? That would be pretty cruel. Or are you saying you wouldn't offer a de-squeeze for monitoring?
 
A larger sensor is not necessarily better. One issue is focus -- just ask any AC who has pulled on a 65mm, VistaVision or God help me an IMAX camera. Depth of field is incredibly small.

What I would be far more interested in would be a binning functionality on a large sensor such as the Canon does and in a certain way the Genesis does as well. Having a group of photosite become a single pixel means vastly greater sensitivity as your fill factor is increased and your noise floor drops way down, so therefore you can stop down your lens more or instead shoot in extremely low light for images such as night ext. Did you know that the Canon is about an ISO 1600 in 1920x1080?

Remember, resolution isn't everything, it's what you do with the resolution. Early on the RED One was going to have a 2K mode that would use the full sensor. I was very sad when that spec went away (hey, can't have everything). I think it's the perfect functionality for the Epic no matter what the size of the sensor within.
 
Mitch Gross said:
A larger sensor is not necessarily better. One issue is focus -- just ask any AC who has pulled on a 65mm, VistaVision or God help me an IMAX camera. Depth of field is incredibly small.
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maybe using slower apertures?.. :wink: it's funny to be me to post you this :)
 
OK, if 16mm MP proects 16mm radius circle, then we can just fit a frame of

30mm x 12.5mm, which has 1:2.40 aspect ratio

FF35 has 6-micron photo sites, which gives 5k horizontal resolution at that frame size.

I remember projecting 16mm MP and it was only slightly soft in corners of the image circle, but still sharp on the edges.

So, FF35 will be perfect for shooting Scope projected on 30mm wide frame at full 5k. Yeah, baby....
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