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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

My RED ONE (arrival date tomorrow) has just been Rendered OBSOLETE

Agree Sean,

These aren't status symbols (well, they are I guess) they are supposed to be tools. You should be able to build a fantastic image with a sensor upgrade.
 
arrik said:
Well I secured our investor, so my partner will have to do the human experiment
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LOL.. you are one of the smart ones.
 
number6 said:
getken, it sounds like you think that at some point your camera will simply not be viable for shooting as the DSMC SYSTEM continues to progress. I see it differently.
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I don't think that at all. The Red One is ahead of the curve now and will be for some time as far as digital cinematography stands. I'm saying the new system does not include Red One in it's modular make-up and that the only way to upgrade the Red One is with a new sensor and new builds. But without buying a complete new camera system (Scarlet or Epic), the Red One does not allow you to move forward with the company.
 
getken said:
I don't think that at all. The Red One is ahead of the curve now and will be for some time as far as digital cinematography stands. I'm saying the new system does not include Red One in it's modular make-up and that the only way to upgrade the Red One is with a new sensor and new builds. But without buying a complete new camera system (Scarlet or Epic), the Red One does not allow you to move forward with the company.
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I agree with what you are saying, but at the same time I don't see how a R1 could possibly fit into a modular system. I suppose they could have tried to make a modular system based on the R1 configuration, but that would have been UGH-LEEEE!

I think they just decided that they had to make a break with a camera that had reached its potential and instead of following the Peter Principle, decided to just leave it in its level where it is superior and put new blood in the leadership roles. The R1 is still being kept in the loop as a consultant though:calm:

afterthought: this is a courageous thing this company has done. When you are successful beyond your wildest dreams and you arbitrarily decide you are gonna abandon a successful path to follow a visionary one... all you can do is bust out in the refrain from that old Hoyle Nix song "Big balls in cowtoun, we'll daince around...."
 
Joe, did you have the opportunity to finally play with your brand new tool today?
If so do you feel better now?
Best regards
Brice
 
This is about the most riddicilous thread ever.

How can the announcement of a camera that won't hit the users in another 6-12 months, render your new cashmachine obsolete?

And how does the better spec'ed new camera (that we all knew would come, @ least since NAB this year), have any impact on your feelings towards your brand new and very useable tool?

I don't get that, but you may be able to explain me what you ca do with Epic today, that you cannot do with a RED today... except dreaming on higher specs, of course (which of course is totally legit... But not very productive...)
 
I recieved my RED 1 about 1 month ago, few months before my estimated delivery time. Totally happy with it, and not too worried about the new and improved camera. When it ships and is ready, ill just simply trade mine in and pay the remainder balance.

Red will always be RED. Best thing that has happened for all of us hehe.

Cheers,
 
R1 one month ago. love it. my confusion with this post? well, for starters, I think the modularity on these camera's is being given way to much weight. I mean is a modular audio board REALLY going to be drastically improved year over year? Lens mount?No. Well maybe a boot up time of 1 minute is just to long? Hmmm... nope that doesn't seem to be it.... Oh the sensor! i see... well my R1 can have the upgraded sensor... and who knows maybe they will give it a monstro upgrade a year later. or maybe a maestro the year after that.... so I will buy the sensor, while some of you will spend money on brain after brain... The only thing in the R1 i see going obsolete is the sensor, and red is not denying us the upgrade to that. I am happy. I was extremely nervous about scarlet up till i read the announcement. I am not nervous any more. I am not buying an Epic until I NEED an Epic. i will settle for the sensor upgrade.

I am not trying to irritate people or make them upset. Just think that everything is not being thought through. Cheer up all we still have a great camera.
 
Kreisky said:
Im so glad that I canceled my order !!!!
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Why? So you can't shoot anything with your RED for a year? I just put an order in.

re: Joe, you just bought a one time initiation fee into a club. Can you imagine Sony or Panasonic giving a free upgrade chip or full trade in value for any of their cameras. Imagine all the guys who bought a Varicam a week before they updated to the H model. Now that would be something to be depressed about.

When my company's RED comes in, we'll be out of the gate shooting instead of counting the days till Scarlet or Epic arrives (who really knows when that'll be - I put my money on at least nine months). Eitherway, you should make enough money within that time with your R1 to offset your angst.

Also, Joe what would you rather have - no announcement of newer / better technology? It almost seems like that guy who hoped color film would never make after investing in a black/white lab.
 
Tim Naylor said:
re: Joe, you just bought a one time initiation fee into a club. Can you imagine Sony or Panasonic giving a free upgrade chip or full trade in value for any of their cameras.
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Sorry there is no free upgrade chip for the red one. You will have to pay.
 
when its all done and said.. the audience wont know what was shot on scarlet vs red vs epic

most wont know what was 6k 5k 4k 3k 2k or film...

alot (like my girlfriend, mom, sisters) wont know what was shot on film vs red vs video vs hi-fi vs mini dv )

redone will continue to look as good as it does today
 
Ian Laurie said:
R1 one month ago. love it. my confusion with this post? well, for starters, I think the modularity on these camera's is being given way to much weight. I mean is a modular audio board REALLY going to be drastically improved year over year? Lens mount?No. Well maybe a boot up time of 1 minute is just to long? Hmmm... nope that doesn't seem to be it.... Oh the sensor! i see... well my R1 can have the upgraded sensor... and who knows maybe they will give it a monstro upgrade a year later. or maybe a maestro the year after that.... so I will buy the sensor, while some of you will spend money on brain after brain... The only thing in the R1 i see going obsolete is the sensor, and red is not denying us the upgrade to that. I am happy. I was extremely nervous about scarlet up till i read the announcement. I am not nervous any more. I am not buying an Epic until I NEED an Epic. i will settle for the sensor upgrade.

I am not trying to irritate people or make them upset. Just think that everything is not being thought through. Cheer up all we still have a great camera.
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The processors are what will become obsolete first. Some of us thought the R1s larger body would take a dsp upgrade, especially since the scarlet/epic brains are smaller, maybe with some modified internal housing. not to be. The faster read reset on mysterium x might give the existing processors more time to, er, process, but its a serious oversight, and cost us 4k@60fps already.
I'd like to know, Will the upgrade be extended to the next generation of Red brains/sensors? I normally skip a generation of camera before upgrading, doesn't make sense not to, especially with a technology product like the R1 that will never go obsolete, but will I be forced to change my ways by Red, I sincerely hope not. My next upgrade will likely be 2011/12, probably the latter.
 
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