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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

CineForm Offers NEO 4K-Mac for Red Support (BETA)

Hi Ross,

Yes, I'm using SpeedGrade on OSX.

For many OSX is not the preferable platform because Apple does not support Nvidia's HDSDI boards. Otherwise it does work on OSX nicely. If you want to give it a try wait until December when build 16 support is out and presumably by then ReMaster delivers reel numbers and TC.

There are rumors that the upcoming Nvidia CX will have HDSDI support on the Mac.

Hans
 
Hans von Sonntag said:
Gunleik,

Cineform and Iridas SpeedGrade work together nicely since a year or so. I'm using it over a year now. SpeedGrade XR is maturing to a logical companion of RAW cameras with any flavour. It swallows QT, AVI, RAW, DPX, EXR, TIFF, etc... You can use it as a digital RAW telecine, outputting separate files or as a finishing system for your final grade.

Recently Iridas improved conforming inside SpeedGrade to a very robust and convenient tool. Assuming you've got proper reel numbers (RedRushes delivers this today, presumably ReMaster will) you can conform via EDL from proxy rushes to the R3Ds or to previously renderd Cineform files. In Dezember SpeedGrade will have Build16 RAW integrated, through the SDK yet, as every one else.

I use SpeedGrades capabilities to grade off RAW files on a daily basis and can tell you that the quality it delivers is stunning. There are many applications where other RAW cameras have their realm, for instance the Phantom HD or the SI2K.

If you see Iridas' RT 2.0 engine working with the RAW files of the above mentioned cameras or the Dalsa 4K you get a good feeling what will happen when Red delivers a RAW SDK.

SpeedGrade XR is a nobrainer for everyone who does serious postproduction with RAW cameras. If you wish I can let you know when SpeedGrade XR with Build16 support is publicly available. An evaluation is always a good thing.

Hans
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Yeah! That would be a good thing. :)

Right now I regret wholeaheartly for upgrading to B16...
The denoise algorithm, I would have liked to be able to unable. It really isnn't the best for the images...
AND it is not realtime anymore in Speedgrade or Scratch.

When this works again, I'd love a note.
 
gunleik said:
Yeah! That would be a good thing. :)

Right now I regret wholeaheartly for upgrading to B16...
The denoise algorithm, I would have liked to be able to unable. It really isnn't the best for the images...
AND it is not realtime anymore in Speedgrade or Scratch.

When this works again, I'd love a note.
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I'm still on B15...

Hans
 
Hans von Sonntag said:
So if I understand you correctly in a later build Cineform will have TC and reel embedded in the matadata readable within FCP and PP?

When will this build be scheduled?

Hans
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This week. It's working in-house now.
 
Rosferatu said:
Hello Cineformers...
We were trying to output files to Cineform in After Effects with Alpha Channels and it didn't seem to be enabled.
Do you have plans to enable this feature? Would be great! We do a lot of VFX work and Alpha channels are part of the real basic building blocks for us.
-Ross
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Yes, we intend to enable Alpha Channel. We've had Alpha on Windows for quite some time. After we get through the initial set of features for the production release Alpha Channel is high on the list.
 
Bo Gabriele, you cannot scale RAW - you have to demosaic first. For Mac we support 4000-wide rasters however, but we do that by cropping not scaling.
 
So basically is an SDK Limitation?

I was thinking to scale because i am evaluating Speedgrade XR and i have no problem with 2K Raw...But i have playback problem with 4K CF Raw...
Also 2K 444 won't playback in realtime...

G
 
David Taylor said:
This week. It's working in-house now.
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Good news!

Will you let us know as soon as it is available? Evaluation licence leaves another 9 days...

If reels and TC works I'm sold. Alpha would be a brilliant extra, making your workflow even more convenient and convincing.

Regards,

Hans
 
Gabriele Turchi said:
So basically is an SDK Limitation?

I was thinking to scale because i am evaluating Speedgrade XR and i have no problem with 2K Raw...But i have playback problem with 4K CF Raw...
Also 2K 444 won't playback in realtime...

G
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Gabriele,

To the best of my knowledge 4K CF-RAW works pretty well in Speedgrade as does CF444 at 2K. I'm curious about the spec of your machine.

But there's good news regardless. We've made some additional threading optimizations that will roll out in the coming week or two which should improve playback performance even better than it already is on both Windows and Mac. I would expect it will get at least 25% faster on an 8-core machine. We'll publish more definitive numbers once we've finished integrating it into the builds.
 
David Taylor said:
Gabriele,

To the best of my knowledge 4K CF-RAW works pretty well in Speedgrade as does CF444 at 2K. I'm curious about the spec of your machine.

But there's good news regardless. We've made some additional threading optimizations that will roll out in the coming week or two which should improve playback performance even better than it already is on both Windows and Mac. I would expect it will get at least 25% faster on an 8-core machine. We'll publish more definitive numbers once we've finished integrating it into the builds.
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MacPro 2.66 4 Core Nvidia 8800Gt ...maybe i need the quadro FX 9but i was plan to wait for the new one...)

You mean playback improvement in XR?

G
 
Gabriele Turchi said:
MacPro 2.66 4 Core Nvidia 8800Gt ...maybe i need the quadro FX 9but i was plan to wait for the new one...)

You mean playback improvement in XR?

G
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Any multi-core system that uses CineForm will decode faster than it ever has. We will be providing SDK updates to Iridas so XR will benefit also.
 
Wow...that's intersting!

I eman when i did try on Windows the playback using metatada was superfine at 2k but on OSX not at all...if you say 25% maybe means that in OSX we can have 2K playback using active metadata?

PS:David do you think that My Configuration should handle 4K raw in XR?

Thanks

G
 
Gabriele,

I've got SpeedGrade XR under OSX and a Nvidia Quattro 5600 FX. I'm not saying that the 8800 GT won't work but to get most out of your XR you need at least the by now old 4500 FX, better 5600 FX. Only the FX series supports all shaders available in SpeedGrade. SpeedGrade's performance depends highly on the power of the CPU. Therefore, safe money on the CPU side and buy the most powerfull pro-series (Quattro FX) graphic board availabe from Nvidia.

Since no one exactly knows what the new upcoming CX board will deliver on the Mac I suppose the investment of a Quattro 5600 FX won't be a mistake - if you need a working system right now.

Hans
 
Thanks Hans..
Actually i was waiting for the new Cx..i thought that the FX could be a non so good choice to buy now...Also because i am evaluating XR ...(i am still trying to building my workflow,i am work really working...)

G
 
Hi Cineforms,

while testing your stuff on a real life project (at least partly) we found that in
Premier Pro CS3 (also testing for the Mac) the Cineform files show a red bar above the timeline. Codec and size where set accordingly to the Cineform files' specs.

What did we do wrongly? Or is Cineform not optimized fpr Premier Pro yet? In FCP it
does work nicely.

Regards,

Hans
 
Hans von Sonntag said:
Hi Cineforms,

while testing your stuff on a real life project (at least partly) we found that in
Premier Pro CS3 (also testing for the Mac) the Cineform files show a red bar above the timeline. Codec and size where set accordingly to the Cineform files' specs.

What did we do wrongly? Or is Cineform not optimized fpr Premier Pro yet? In FCP it
does work nicely.

Regards,

Hans
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CineForm is HIGHLY optimized for Premiere.

Try right click on the clip and deselect Frame Blend, or double check your settings as there should be no red bar.
 
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