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Red1 sound mike ... advice welcomed

David Nardini

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I have ZERO knowledge for sound & mike recording and welcome any comments regarding the following mike (TINY MIKE + TINY MIX I assume) :

http://www.ambientaudio.com/products/tiny.html

Will this work on a Red1 (existing or with forthcoming audio board upgrade) ?
Requirement is for small / light casual work, with good and above recording quality ;-) ... sound is not my speciality and will remain so.

Cheers
 
It all depends on your needs, as far as I could get on the "characteristics" of this mic, it is directional.
Dont know the price of this peace, but I can recommend you the cheap old Rode Ntg-1, it is also directional.
Depending on the the job you`re in, you could want an ambiental mic to and a narrower directional mic like the Sennheiser Mkh-70, way more expensive (works great when you want to reduce ambient noise).

Hope this works.
 
Either a Sennheiser MKH 60 which is one of the best or a Schoeps CMIT also on of the very best.

http://www.schoeps.de/E-2004/cmit.html

If budget is an issue go with a Sennheiser MKE66

Suggest you but a Rycote Softie windjammer for what ever you choose.

Dave
UK
 
h2o pixels.. you are gonna hear a lot of reccomendations.. and a lot of different mics that are good. Trust me... all the above.. the reccommendations... are in their place. Just close your eyes and pick. They have different characteristics.. they noted them down.. just go with whichever you want to reach out to.

Though if you do have an old red... not the new ones with the new audio boards.. You have to.. HAVE TO... and don't f**k around this part. figure out a way you could feed a line. Don't let red power your mic.. and don't let red regulate your audio. Get a mixer like a sounddevices 442 or anything that can give out a line to your red. RECORD LINE on red. Dont F**K AROUND.

If you do record powered or non powered non-line audio you will get screwed by Tone.
 
Take a look at the RODE NTG series. The NTG-1 and new NTG-3 are really great for the money. The NTG-2 is the same as the NTG-1, but also has the option of battery power, which may be an advantage -- especially until we get the upgraded audio boards.

Dave's suggestions of the Sennheiser mics is also good. Audio Technica makes some good ones on a budget, so does Azden.

How much are you looking to spend? IMO, the RODE NTG-2 for under $300 is a bargain and it runs off battery or phantom power.
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
Take a look at the RODE NTG series. The NTG-1 and new NTG-3 are really great for the money. The NTG-2 is the same as the NTG-1, but also has the option of battery power, which may be an advantage -- especially until we get the upgraded audio boards.

Dave's suggestions of the Sennheiser mics is also good. Audio Technica makes some good ones on a budget, so does Azden.

How much are you looking to spend? IMO, the RODE NTG-2 for under $300 is a bargain and it runs off battery or phantom power.
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THANKS ALL ... having a look at the NTG-1 and it looks good enough for my proposed usage ;-) fun / family stuff ... no Pinewood busting aims here ... certainly not in the sound dept :biggrin:
Anybody used these NTG mikes on the Red ... works fine ? [Edit - ops ... thanks Janne; we posted at same time]
 
Sound is important

Sound is important

daveb said:
Either a Sennheiser MKH 60 which is one of the best or a Schoeps CMIT also on of the very best.

http://www.schoeps.de/E-2004/cmit.html

If budget is an issue go with a Sennheiser MKE66

Suggest you but a Rycote Softie windjammer for what ever you choose.

Dave
UK
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Sound will be important at some point to you. For me not having good sound is as critical as image.

Sennheisser MKH60 beautiful mic, works great for me. Ditto on the Rycote Windjammer. Also use mine with Sound Devices Field Mixer. Works great.

Frazier
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Personally I would avoid the ME66 which is very strident and not comparable to the other mics mentioned.

The Rode NTG 1 is awesome for its value. Another good mic is the Sanken CS-1.

Rob
 
Rob Castiglione said:
Personally I would avoid the ME66 which is very strident and not comparable to the other mics mentioned.
The Rode NTG 1 is awesome for its value. Another good mic is the Sanken CS-1.Rob
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At B&H the Sanken CS-1 is $825 which is out of my budget.
The Rode NTG-1 is $249 which is way less than the Sennheiser ME66/K6 at $500

You would recommend the Rode NTG-1 over the ME66 ?
(I have a budget of about $500)
 
Here's another option. If you'd like to go used then Sennheiser MKH 416 mic's are around used and in good condition. Its the recordist short gun mic. They are found in P versions ie Phantom power or T power. Id use an external power box or mixer on Red anyway so either is not likely to be an issue. A phantom version may cost a little more.

The MKH60 has to a degree replaced the 416 it but I think they are still made. Its a little more robust than an MKH60 but phases on pans if the mic is turned. You'd only really notice it if there's something like a waterfall or wind in trees type noise in the back ground. I had one once that a Yak stood on in Bhutan, a sherpa hammered it's tube back in to a sort of round shape with a rock to placate me and it carried on working for some years, only to be used out of sight.

If you can find one in good condition they are a great mic. I've seen them round for $500.

Dave
UK
 
daveb said:
Here's another option. If you'd like to go used then Sennheiser MKH 416 mic's are around used and in good condition. Its the recordist short gun mic. They are found in P versions ie Phantom power or T power.

I was just out of film school a few years ago, and wanted a good mic for my sound. I wandered into a popular sound place here in L.A. and was talking to the salesman, and he told me (confidentially) that the Sennheiser rep had warned him, "Try not to sell the 416P. If they buy that one, they never buy another mic."

Needless to say, I went and found myself a used 416 from another rental house that had many of them, rented out to big productions. (It was only slightly scratched, and came with a printout of it's response characteristic. I got it for half-price) It was at the time, (and may still be) the standard by which all other dialogue-recording short-shotgun mics were gauged.

Dialogue with this mic is crystal-clear, and in my opinion, perfectly tuned to the human voice. For a shotgun mic, I've never needed another.

Robert
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yes, I would take the Rode NTG-1 over the Senn ME66 any day. I have used both . The Rodge NTG-1 has quite a natural sound on and off axis. The Senn ME66 is shrill and tinny - particularly bad off axis.

I have some great mics - Schoeps, the venerable Senn 416 and, microtech gefell etc that cost many times the Rode. How Rode does it I dont know. A genuine bargain.

Rob
 
We have the NTG-1 too, and think it's a proper mic indeed. However it does not work with our RED One yet (old audioboard though..). We havent't found a solution for it yet, but haven't looked to hard either :) You might want to go for the NTG-2 so you can use a battery to power it.
 
I know its a strange conversation about budeget mics when RedOne is such a disproportionate price, but I plan on buying a scarlet (I can't afford RedOne).

Rob Castiglione said:
yes, I would take the Rode NTG-1 over the Senn ME66 any day. I have used both . The Rodge NTG-1 has quite a natural sound on and off axis. The Senn ME66 is shrill and tinny - particularly bad off axis.
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Thanks for the advice Rob!
 
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