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Final Cut VS. Premiere Pro

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Hi Everyone.
I am relaunching my studio with the goal of offering indi film makers a smooth, easy 4k workflow to do everything they need for their production.

I'm getting 2 mac pro's but don't know if i should go with Adobe Creative Suite CS4, with Premiere Pro and After Effects - Or to go with Final Cut Studio 2, with Final Cut Pro 6 and Apple Motion. I need a complete suite for the user.

Would love to hear what you, the film makers would rather use if you were coming in looking for a complete workflow for your film.
Thanks.
-Dewey
 
what do you have more experience in?
Some guys are FCP people .
Some are amazing with Adobe products.

Motion is not a replacement for After Effects.
Both can edit but not both are wonderful for compositing.
FCP has Color which can be beneficial if your doing any serious color grading.
But if your doing lots of keying, or composting or special effects.
Youll wanna lean towards AE.


GET BOTH!!!! dont fight it just do it.
 
I have spoken with a few others as well and they say the same thing.
Thanks everybody! And i will take alook at our budget and will more than likely do just that and get both.
 
dewman77 said:
Hi Everyone.
I am relaunching my studio with the goal of offering indi film makers a smooth, easy 4k workflow to do everything they need for their production.

I'm getting 2 mac pro's but don't know if i should go with Adobe Creative Suite CS4, with Premiere Pro and After Effects - Or to go with Final Cut Studio 2, with Final Cut Pro 6 and Apple Motion. I need a complete suite for the user.

Would love to hear what you, the film makers would rather use if you were coming in looking for a complete workflow for your film.
Thanks.
-Dewey
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Thank you so much for this post!

It poses exactly the question I've been examining. More importantly, do YOU need to go dual boot with your Mac Pros so you can effectively deal with the Red and DPX files in high end mastering? It seems that Adobe is becoming the answer to this question and only in the PC world since they don't sell CS4 in dual platform!?! Are Mac users being relegated to offline and lower end mastering? These are my burning questions as a filmmaker!!!
 
BigLu said:
what do you have more experience in?
Some guys are FCP people .
Some are amazing with Adobe products.

Motion is not a replacement for After Effects.
Both can edit but not both are wonderful for compositing.
FCP has Color which can be beneficial if your doing any serious color grading.
But if your doing lots of keying, or composting or special effects.
Youll wanna lean towards AE.


GET BOTH!!!! dont fight it just do it.
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Hi BigLu! I'm a FCP guy who doesn't know CS4 and am still contemplating both Platforms and software for high end mastering from Red. I guess my major question for those who DO know CS4 for Mac really is,

"If you're using CS4 on a MAC, can you output DPX? Do I need to go cross platform or dual boot for importing and editing the high end files?"

I wouldn't want to deal with proxy files in FCP after I finish my next project so it is a MAJOR CONCERN as I contemplate spending. I certainly DO want to own both systems, it's just a matter of... Do I need to use CS4 in the PC realm or can I get high end finishing with Mac? All input is welcome and thanks again!
 
What is wrong with editing proxies in FCP? I hear people bringing it up all the time. Using Cineform, the transfer process to their Cineform 444 online edit can take forever (if using a lot of footage). So why not proxies? Also, with CS4 supporting native R3D soon, that seems like a major advantage to me.

I think I am dumping Vegas completely soon, even for my quick SD captures.
 
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Avenger007 said:
I think I am dumping Vegas completely soon, even for my quick SD captures.
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A soul saved.

I know that Vegas is fairly easy to but it just isn't high-end professional.

Which is something I could have said about Premiere 6, but ever since CS3, Adobe has gotten very serious about high-end braodcast-film.

You'll likely end up buying AE no matter what (~$800) and likely PhotoShop (~$600) so the way I see it buy the Production Suite for ~$1,600 and get way more software. There is a fantastic color correction tool available for the Adobe A/V products, but the name escapes me.
 
This is a weird thread.

Your primary market according to your thread is "offering indi film makers a smooth, easy 4k workflow"?

1. indie filmmakers are not a very reliable source of income.

2. indie filmmakers don't need 4k at all. Except the stupid ones. HD is completely fine. But you should decide from the beginning whether you're going to milk the stupid rich ones with 4k buzzwords, or whether you're going to try to actually help the clever ones who know 4k is not important. Probably more money to be made short term milking the stupid 4k ones methinks. But you lose out on the possibility for a profitable long-term business relationship since all their films will fail. On the other hand, the clever ones are total cheapskates (they had no money so they had to make films by being cheap and living on their wits) and probably have no money (and maybe little loyalty ;)

3. indie filmmakers REALLY need talented post talent.

4. sound! You need to think about it, or partner up with some local mixing folks and offer a good package deal.

For a start, you should not seriously consider Motion for feature film work. It's currently a weaker tool than After Effects for that and more importantly there is no strong talent base. A lot of people use After Effects for indie film work, though. Remember to add a few good plugins to your budget.

Similarly, you should look at the available talent in your area when choosing editing software. I am in Los Angeles, where the best editors I know generally use Avid, but there are a lot of FCP folks too. I know of nobody with feature editing experience who primarily uses Premiere Pro.

I like Premiere Pro very much, personally, but until recently it has been lacking for certain basic things needed by most features. For example: in previous versions it really couldn't deal with dual-system sound as well as Avid or FCP. You may want to check out if CS4 has improved in this way. But it's things like this that would make me a tad cautious. Premiere Pro has been out for YEARS. If Adobe really cared about feature film editing, they would have fixed this ages ago.

Also, people HAVE cut some good features with FCP. People have not cut many with Premiere. Most are done with Avid, though, for obvious reasons that you would discover if you used the software.

So if I were you, I'd probably choose FCP over Premiere Pro. You'd probably get fewer raised eyebrows from clients. Even if Premiere Pro is superior to FCP in many ways (I believe it is for certain things, but most of them not applicable to feature film editing).

Of course, Premiere Pro might make a very good onlining tool if you beefed it up with Cineform, so maybe look into that.

On a personal note, I prefer Avid as a piece of software and also find that the editors who use Avid care about the right things (story) and not the stupid ones (amount of K). So I would suggest you at least look into Avid too.

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
 
Bruce sums it up very well: the question Premier Pro vs Finalcut Pro is purely academic.

Here in Germany Indies are the pest for posthouses.

Because they have notoriously no to low budget they try to get the most out of it and can't pay for it. They want it all: Avid, Baselight, Arrilaser, Dolby 5.1, etc...

Most poshouse work for indies only because the director is usually working with them on commercials or any similiar combination. Basically they fear the loss of business when refusing the indie job.

Often indies say: I'll pay you when I sold the film.

Very, very, very rarely this is happening. Most indie films die a slow death on
the indie-producer's shelf.

No target group for posthouses, especially if you want to start a new business, IMO.

Get in touch with the local advertising agencies. With the jobs you might get from them you can finance your indie clients.


Hans
 
If you are a FCP user and want to use Photoshop and After Effects on a MAC the price you pay if you buy the programs separately is around a hundred dollars less than if you buy Production Premium CS4 containing both programs plus Adobe Premier and all the other goodies.
 
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