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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

CineForm Officially Supports Red One

Edgar Pitts said:
I am interested in this as well. I understand the problems of going from 30p to 24p versus 60i to 24p. Is there a hardware solution such as using a HD VTR?

Thanks.

Edgar
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30p to 24p is the worst of the format changes. I have used motion interpolating tools like Twixtor to do that before, but nothing is idea (short of avoiding 30p completely.)
 
Sean said:
Just needed to clarify something for myself:

Does Cineform Neo 4K provide QuickTimes of any flavour (e.g., DNxHD) with sound on a PC?
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We have dabbled in controlling MetaFuze to produce DNxHD files from R3Ds, but that is not a base function of NEO 4K, all our tools focus on using CineForm compression as the intermediate codec. We think that Avid's own plans for R3D SDK integration would likely be better than how we used MetaFuze. We do have a beta that does DNxHD 36 via MetaFuze if you are interested.

Audio support is not in the R3D SDK yet, in the meantime we have focused on external audio sync solutions (as we have discussed in this thread.) We are seeing more SDK updates coming, and we are all hoping audio support comes soon.
 
David Newman said:
Thor,

Yes, I need a range of R3Ds and corrosponding BWF files. While a complete shot day would be cool, a smaller sample of A/V files from different dates would also be helpful (trying to automate both date and timecode.) Several R3Ds from each shoot day.

Thanks for your help.
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David,

Yes. I will send you an entire day of jam synced audio and video from 2 Red cameras. I'll send it out on Friday. It will probably get to you by Monday.

-Thor
 
RedSpace look with Cineform

RedSpace look with Cineform

Hey guys. Wondering if anyone has been able to create Cineform 1K Express files with a look close to RedSpace? I've opened the 1K Express batch script, added the recommended switches and batched. No matter what I do the .avi's produced have the flat, raw negative look to them. I can color correct and add curves to these avi's no problems in Premiere but want to have half this work done for me in the R3D to CF conversion.

From my understanding of what I've read on these forums, the switches to get close to RedSpace are -l100 and -b0 and switches can be placed in any order on the switch code line of the batch script. This is what the beginning of my edited batch script looks like with the switches added -

Convert all R3D files in the specified directory

' This script handles all of its errors
On Error Resume Next

' default r2cf.exe switches
defaultr3dswitches = "-l100 -b0 -q2 -p3 -y -w1024"

' default output path switches
defaultoutputpath = "express"

' default output format
defaultoutputformat = ".avi"

' set to 0 to turn recurse off
recursedirectories = 1

Anyone know what I'm doing wrong? I'm not really a code guy so any help would be much appreciated. I'm cutting my projects with audio in Final Cut at the moment but can't wait to return to my old friend Premiere when all the post pieces fall into place.
 
We been working on this very thing. RedLog is -l100 -b0, RedSpace has a different curve, neither a Log or Gamma curves fit, so we will be adding that curve type in upcoming release. The benefit is to have the default encode look the same as RedCine, yet still have the benefit of adjusting the look in the timeline. Of course today RedSpaces work fine, they just have a log curve on them.

The was one minor update to fix a color saturation issues with some Build 16 sources, here is the download http://www.miscdata.com/red/R2CFv160.zip. Unzip the contents into: C:\Program Files\CineForm\Tools. To use this you must have NEO 4K or Prospect 4K installed on your Windows OS (trial version also work.)
 
Gawd, you guys are so awesome, David.

I wanted to ask a question. For 2K project, would it be appropriate to edit in Cineform 4:4:4 or RAW, even send Cineform clip to AfterEffects then back to FCP as Cineform, then put it on uncompressed 4:4:4 time to export to Color for grading, then export DPX to print with Arrilaser?
 
David Newman said:
Only the ArriLaser requires DPX, most tools can now work with CineForm compressed AVI or MOV files. So use CineForm if the tools supports it and convert to DPX only when needed.
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David, thanks for your prompt reply, but Color supports CineForm now?

Also, Mr. Miyajima informed me that LazerGraphics film recorders support Cineform. Do you know the Pros and Cons of it comparing to Arrilaser?
 
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Hi David, I was present at the Kappa studios meeting and was very impressed with your presentation. I've since downloaded the trial and can't for the life of me figure out why all exported look files are 0KB. no error message pops up. Furthermore at some point I ran the exporter and was able to export a look file for each clip in the sequence (~7MB per look file). Now I can't reproduce it. Any ideas what settings (if any) could lead to 0KB look file for both workbar & entire sequence export?
 
Thank you for the positive feedback. Driving from San Diego to LA for 9am weekend start was much fun, but I enjoyed doing the presentation. The look exporter is very cool feature but it is under-documented (well not at all.) Sorry about that. A few of requirements for the look exporter.

1) CineForm AVI sources must be used, not uncompressed, or stills or someone elses compressed format. This is because the CineForm decoder is also used in computing the look.
2) The clip resolution and project resolution must match. So for 1k CineForm Express files you will need to create a preset that is also 1K. We need to make sure Premiere does scaling anything (giving you odd look files.)
3) Only 32-bit filters are currently supported and the 32-bit mode must be active. Switch on the display filter deep option in the display settings.
4) Always put ".look" in the output name.

Hopefully it is one of these and you can start creating looks sucessfully.
 
David,

I have successfully converted R3D files to CineForm HD4:4:4, then I setup 1920 x 1080 CineForm project to place the clips, but the clips gamma look different when it is played back. Is there any parameter I have to set to correct this?
 
Kaku Ito said:
David,

I have successfully converted R3D files to CineForm HD4:4:4, then I setup 1920 x 1080 CineForm project to place the clips, but the clips gamma look different when it is played back. Is there any parameter I have to set to correct this?
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Different when compared to what? In a few posts ago I was discussing RedSPace vs RegLog curve differences and we are working on that. Is that what you are talking about?
 
Between the same clip when it is stopped and during playing back.
 
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