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18-85 T2.9 RED zoom...

facetmedia said:
I've often noticed that many rental houses use a euro quick plate, a dovetail and the Arri BASE (some even use the RED bottom plate too). I've often wondered what the need for the euro quick plate was. Is it to aid in sliding the rig better? Another way to put it is... if you have a dovetail that's compatible with the Occonor head why would you need the quickplate?
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Its not the rental house, its the 1st ac...they all use that combo. Its easier for them to quickly adapt to the DP's next config that way.
 
digitalfx said:
Its not the rental house, its the 1st ac...they all use that combo. Its easier for them to quickly adapt to the DP's next config that way.
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With a dovetail that is compatible with the Oconnor head and the camera body can slide off the dovetail easily (unless thats not true due to using heavier lenses therefore more friction)... in what situations would you still need the euro quickplate? Is it the ability to quickly take the dovetail to another support system?
 
facetmedia said:
With a dovetail that is compatible with the Oconnor head and the camera body can slide off the dovetail easily (unless thats not true due to using heavier lenses therefore more friction)... in what situations would you still need the euro quickplate? Is it the ability to quickly take the dovetail to another support system?
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Two reasons:

That much more lateral adjustment (you can slide both the Europlate and the dovetail) and the quick release off of the Europlate. Say you have two heads on a job, often one on sticks and the other on dolly. The quickest and easiest way to go between them is the quick-release plate off the top of the Europlate. Many ACs have mounts on their camera carts that will accept the QR plate so that they can station the camera there between setups.

You may have noticed that Off Hollywood got that O'Connor head from Abel Cine Tech. We always send out a Europlate with our tripod heads to give flexibility to the ACs. They could choose to put the dovetail directly on the head if they wished, but my experience is that most choose not to.
 
Mitch Gross said:
You may have noticed that Off Hollywood got that O'Connor head from Abel Cine Tech. We always send out a Europlate with our tripod heads to give flexibility to the ACs. They could choose to put the dovetail directly on the head if they wished, but my experience is that most choose not to.
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We ordered our 2575 from AbelCine too and got the Euro plate... this week the Element Technica 18" dovetail came in. Since the ET dovetail can directly attach to the 2060/2575 head.. I'm still having a hard time seeing the need for stacking both the Euro plate and ET dovetail. If we had another Oconnor 2060/2575 head on a dolly then we would just release the ET dovetail and take it and the attached camera system over to the dolly and directly attach the ET dovetail to the head. That would seem to take the same amount of time/ease as using the QR plate while eliminating the need to have two Euro plates.

I don't understand the lateral adjustment point.
 
Sorry, lateral meaning front/back. The 18" dovetail will accomplish the same thing. Some ACs don't like to take the camera off the dovetail because the QR is faster and the balance point does not have to be found again after the move. It is a matter of working style -- up until a couple of years ago the dovetail didn't fit directly so the Europlate was the only option. People are used to working this way.
 
it's the quick-release part that people like about the Europlate. Also the light weight and the small profile. An Ac has to take the camera on/off the head 10-30 times a day. The extra speed and weight reduction counts. Besides that you are going to bruise yourself from the sharp edges that stick out all over the place from a 18" or 24" sliding plate, which you now need for the same lateral movement flexibility. The Et plate gives you the extra function to go without europlate when you need a lower profile. That doesn't make the europlate unnecessary. Thanks Finner for confusing everybody with your video. Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
 
Mitch Gross said:
and the balance point does not have to be found again after the move. It is a matter of working style -- up until a couple of years ago the dovetail didn't fit directly so the Europlate was the only option. People are used to working this way.
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I can understand this finding the balance point issue. Albeit it can be solved easily if the ET dovetail came with a center mark like the euro plate does. I guess I'll have to etch a mark into the center of the ET dovetail.

florianstadler.com said:
it's the quick-release part that people like about the Europlate. Also the light weight and the small profile. An Ac has to take the camera on/off the head 10-30 times a day. The extra speed and weight reduction counts. Besides that you are going to bruise yourself from the sharp edges that stick out all over the place from a 18" or 12" sliding plate. The Et plate gives you the extra function to go without europlate when you need a lower profile. That doesn't make the europlate unnecessary. Thanks Finner for confusing everybody with your video. Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
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The speed argument I don't understand... since it takes the same time to release the ET dovetail as it does to release the QR plate. I can understand a need for the euro plate when its used solely... as you said smaller profile. With a setup not utilizing large zooms I can understand the need for the euro plate.
 
Not that we don't already know how fricking good this lens is, ( we trust Jim )but look forward to your image quality and overall performance response on this BIG Baby:)

Even so I still think that the LWZ will have no doubt its place, do to the light weight, the 18-85 sure gives a perfect range for my preferences in focal length, and makes this Zoom the most desirable one to have.

ciao
 
KETCH ROSSI said:
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Even so I still think that the LWZ will have no doubt its place, do to the light weight, the 18-85 sure gives a perfect range for my preferences in focal length, and makes this Zoom the most desirable one to have.

ciao
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Yes, or...

The new Angenieux Optimo Rouge DP 16-42mm

Nice option for shoulder or steadicam work.

Cheers,
Damien
 
earthling said:
Yes, or...

The new Angenieux Optimo Rouge DP 16-42mm

Nice option for shoulder or steadicam work.

Cheers,
Damien
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Yes if the Zoom range you look for is in that range, the Rouge will also provide a great option, but I much prefer the fill and look of the LWZ.

And again for the range of the RED Zoom is just what makes "IT" the perfect all purpose zoom to my needs, not hand holdable, not with out sweating your A%#$@ any way, but then again I have been shooting with the 1Ds III and EF 200L IS combination and that is not light weight either.

The LWZ is about 45 to 50K depending on were you buy from, the Rouge should be in the lower to mid 20K and the RED again is just an Unbeliavable deal and choice now that the price gets trowed in the mist, but at the end there is a market for almost every lens, as needs and possibilities economically are much different and very individual.

ciao
 
That is a gorgeous sight indeed!
 
Does the lens get longer/shorter when zooming in use or is the lens always the same size? :detective2:
 
Another 35 Lenses going out tomorrow :)
 
David Rasberry said:
What kind of price range are the Optimo lenses in?
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Angenieux Optimo Rouge 16-42 PL Mount Zoom Lens* list price - $20,999
Focal Length: 16-42
Aperture: f/2.8
Weight: 4.2 lbs
Image coverage: S35 (31.1 mm diagonal)
Delivery: April/May 2009

Angenieux Optimo Rouge 30-80 PL Mount Zoom Lens* list price - $20,999
Focal Length : 30-80 mm
Aperture: f/2.8
Weight: 4.2 lbs
Image coverage: S35 (31.1 mm diagonal)
Delivery: January 2009
 
Just for the record, the Rouge lens series do not work with film cameras due to the extended flange. That's a deal breaker for me and of course the new 18-85 :)
 
facetmedia said:
I've often noticed that many rental houses use a euro quick plate, a dovetail and the Arri BASE
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The biggest issue is speed.

If the DP asks for a Tango/Swing head, you already have the proper quick release plate to snap a Tango in between the head and the camera.

Switching to an underslung shot on a Lambda or Ronford - same deal.

The ET plate is great when you really need that one inch lower camera height, but a standard quick release plate is just too versatile to give up.
 
Abu Reno said:
Just for the record, the Rouge lens series do not work with film cameras due to the extended flange. That's a deal breaker for me and of course the new 18-85 :)
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The 18-85mm will not work on a 35mm camera? Where did you see this?
 
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