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macville said:
"Why do many Americans believe that social programs..."

Matthew
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First I thought this was a joke. jesus f... christ. If more people think like this then: good night America, you`re in deep, deep trouble...
 
noahvolek said:
In Canada your income tax is determined by brackets, make more money and pay more tax, make less pay less.
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Yes, but this bracket gets at its maximum tax rate at $68,000 and than the tax rate stays flat at its maximum rate of 50% (some provinces like oil reach ones at 45%).
In US the bracket tops at more then $350K at 45% or so.

Well most countries try to redistribute wealth in some mix of Communism and Capitalism. I think US is trying to infuse a bit of Socialism in the banking system now.

No system is perfect and most of them need some tweaking from time to time to work.

I just hate to be caught leaving in the country that undergo active experiments of its system. It may last in some bad cases 75 years like in Russia.
 
what if the federal government bought all the houses that they could buy for $700,000,000,000.00 Let an independent appraiser determine the value of each individual buy out. That would help consumers as well as the banks who are going under. I guaranty that the banks wont pass on the love. If the government bailed out all of the people that are losing their houses first, then bought out the recent foreclosures the bank problems would level out without it looking like the government was funding crooked CEO's. Then as the demand for houses increases the government can sell off the houses at a profit to the taxpayers. The government already subsidies some low income housing. Why not use some of the houses for programs that already exist.

Obviously not going to solve all of the problem, but better than just handing it to the big banks. Call it trickle up theory.

another 2/5 of a nickel
 
kalone said:
First I thought this was a joke. jesus f... christ. If more people think like this then: good night America, you`re in deep, deep trouble...
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Actually, there are plenty of people who think this way. Social programs are not the answer when done by the government. Welfare, SS, Medicare, you name it, are all worthless. These programs don't really help people, they just make them more of a victim. People need to stand up and take control of making sure their retirement is financially secure--instead of saying "I'll just live on social security" It's great if the government wants to make that program optional, but some of us know how to manage our money and could make ALOT more money for retirement if we could not send it to SS. Welfare, instead of graduating people off of it, you earn a penny to much one month, boom your off of it entirely. That's a system that doesn't work and just causes people NOT to work. A better option is supporting programs like Habitat that helps people grow financially through responsibility.

I am just a believe in teaching a man to fish instead of just giving him the fish.

Matthew
 
I think they should take the $700b and give it all to Canada. We would use the money to ensure every Canadian is given gov't issued plaid jackets, mountie hats, rubber boots, and $17,000 in cooooold haaaard cash.
 
macville said:
Social programs are not the answer when done by the government. Welfare, SS, Medicare, you name it, are all worthless.
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They're only worthless in the States. Look at countries that have successful nationalized healthcare policies. Scandinavian countries are some great examples. They have a highly socialized system, high taxes, and some of the highest standards of living in the world. As far as the retirement savings issue goes, it's damn near impossible for most people to adequately save for retirement. Cost of living is too high and income is too low, especially for those with children. Social Security is meant to be just that, but if it's not supported by it's own government then it's bound to fail.
 
Red-Cam said:
I think they should take the $700b and give it all to Canada. We would use the money to ensure every Canadian is given gov't issued plaid jackets, mountie hats, rubber boots, and $17,000 in cooooold haaaard cash.
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Make that $17500 so that every Canadian can buy a red one to make a documentary on the diversity and uses of the word eh?

a movie eh?

Whats It all a boot eh?


I'm Joe king eh?:)
(I have visited Canada many times and found the country to be very beautiful, as well as many of its people very gracious and hospitable.) eh
 
Red-Cam said:
They're only worthless in the States. Look at countries that have successful nationalized healthcare policies. Scandinavian countries are some great examples.
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And some of the lowest depression rates. Generally they are the happiest people in the world. Much happier than the average American.

A well educated and cared for populace IS SECURITY. A bigger police force, jail system and army is NOT. Last I checked America was the most incarcerated country on the planet. Yeah, our system is just great the way it is.
 
Make that $17500 so that every Canadian can buy a red one to make a documentary on the diversity and uses of the word eh?
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The doc won't look very good without a lens. ;)

(And it won't sound very good if you don't have a microphone either... eh)
 
These bankers already get interest for loaning out other peoples money now they want people who didn't even cause this situation to pay for there screw ups?!
 
joelnet said:
And some of the lowest depression rates. Generally they are the happiest people in the world. Much happier than the average American.

A well educated and cared for populace IS SECURITY. A bigger police force, jail system and army is NOT. Last I checked America was the most incarcerated country on the planet. Yeah, our system is just great the way it is.
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Move.
 
macville said:
I am just a believe in teaching a man to fish instead of just giving him the fish.

Matthew
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It's o.k. to teach him (or her) how to fish... just don't tell him (or her) where all the good fishing spots are. After all, life is just one big fishing tournament. Biggest fish wins.:devil:
 
I wish reformation through peaceful means can change things but I think when people awake to the truth of the centralize banks around the world they will start to revolt.
 
macville said:
Actually, there are plenty of people...
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Matthew, I was referring to your comment that defense is more important than social welfare. I mean, just look where the U.S. have arrived so far, the so-called defense did primarily make the situation more fucked up than it ever was, for both the whole world and even more the U.S.

And btw, leaving people on their own, without any "safety net" like welfare, will destabilize society itself - THEN you`re better on with stocking up your inner defense as much as you can as well - that`ll lead to a country which wages war on the outer AND the inner...
 
hey Kalone

No offense meant by this, but its really hard to take anything you say seriously when I see that avatar of yours. It cracks me up to hear you sound so invested in the world.:clown2:
 
blownapartstudios said:
hey Kalone

No offense meant by this, but its really hard to take anything you say seriously when I see that avatar of yours. It cracks me up to hear you sound so invested in the world.:clown2:
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Hey Steve.
Yes, you`re probably right...initially it was not my intention to be political and dead serious at this place. I think I`ll take good ol` "Gunther von Hagen" down as long as I contribute to this thread...

BTW, really sorry to hear about your situation.
 
Fredrik Harreschou said:
Or express what you feel is wrong with the society you live in. If every American not happy with the current situation should move, that would mean a LOT of people moving.
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Just tryin' to help... the guy is in an unhappy place. He thinks he knows where there is one. His moving would be like water finding its level. He would make the place he moves to unhappier (he's gonna be unhappy wherever he's at) and it would remove some unhappiness from here.

All silliness aside, he is cherrypicking data. The data he refers to says that Scandanavia (I think the 60 Minutes piece said Norwegians in particular...may have been the Danes) are happiest because they have the lowest expectations. That is, they expect nothing so anything that is a positive result makes them happy.

On the other hand, he implies that we should do away with incarcerations and I suppose parole everyone in prison (see link below)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081001...s&printer=1;_ylt=AtI95AKwrP4m21KBUyGbRgN2wPIE

and give everybody everything and this would be a great country. I just think that anyone with such a narrow focus is not going to ever get it and so should just move to the Utopia he seeks until he realizes he may have already been there, and it just wasn't as perfect as he always imagined Utopia to be.
 
number6 said:
The data he refers to says that Scandanavia (I think the 60 Minutes piece said Norwegians in particular...may have been the Danes) are happiest because they have the lowest expectations. That is, they expect nothing so anything that is a positive result makes them happy.
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I think Anders Holck is from denmark, he is a regular contributor to this forum - maybe you should confront him with your amazing obervations...
 
kalone said:
I think Anders Holck is from denmark, he is a regular contributor to this forum - maybe you should confront him with your amazing obervations...
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These amazing observations are from the American TV program 60 Minutes. It is a respected program and they actually did it from the country and talked to the people in the country about these very same amazing observations. The question was put to the panel about the low expectations theory and many if not all of the panel agreed. So there!
 
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