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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

CineForm Officially Supports Red One

David Newman said:
Christopher, we still do most of our testing on XP 32 and XP 64, being that they are much more stable OSes for the post tools out there. That said, Vista 64 pretty much works for all but one HDLink function, but I will have someone test the 3D LUT engine today.
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Thanks David,

I know the LUT procedure backwards but on this machine it fails to register any Metadata at all. For example in the File Metadata Panel when I alter any of the settings (WB, Gamma) the image does not show the changes.

There is a blackmagic card installed but that should not effect things.
 
David Taylor said:
I *think* Thor has been successful converting feature-length drives full of R3D files.
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Yes, I converted an entire feature film to Express files in under 3 days.

The Express files are very easy to work with. I'm going to edit some scenes and do some testing with relinking. I'll post the results.

-Thor
 
David Newman said:
Those symptoms are from very old installs, uninstall Prospect or NEO (plus remove any other instances of R2CF), and reinstall the latest P4K/N4K build, which comes with R2CF that doesn't have any of those issues. Then if you need, install v1.56.
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Ok, unistalled everything, installed latest v1.56, working. Can now export using Cineform AVI Export.

Only other issue is the linking Express to raw in 4k timeline, playback screen
in premier turns black. So I have to create a 4k project, import Express files, edit, then link to the RAW 4k, export in desired rez, and works fine.

However, windows media player will playback anything exported (AVI) from a 4k project upside down. Divx player plays back normal. If I export Express alone with no linking to RAW, media player plays back upright, linking Express to RAW, playback is upside down, in media player only. Exporting as a MOV from 4K Quicktime plays back normal. Odd.
 
Please can you give me any advice, how to adjust active metadata that I get the same picture in premiere and Aftereffects in 32bitfloat.
The files are encoded in RGB444. Problem is adding the metadata in premiere than opening the same file in AE looks way different. Even switching off all global options and only applying the curve doesn´t give the same results.
What curve is applied to the encoded RGB444? Do I need the Cineonconverter in AE, if the conversion is already done with the metadata. If, what are the settings in AE Cineon converter?
confused....

BTW: I noticed that CF files play nicely on other workstations with neoplayer, but no metadata available, is there a workaround?
Is it planned for future releases that installing P4K is possible without having PP on the machine. Our compositing workstations are used to be without PPro and other "not needed" installations.

thank you
alex
 
Alex,

If you don't have PPro then it is NEO 4K, not Prospect 4K, that you will be installing. Currently 32-bit mode with AE, our importer defaults to linear light output, this is why you are seeing a difference. In the 8 and 16-bit AE mode they should look the same. The curve is applied in under user control. Currently the defaults are Log 90 (-l90), RedLog I believe is -l100, although they are very similar. For RedLog follow the info : http://prolost.blogspot.com/2008/03/red-log.html. So follow the linear to log curve and add that to an adjustment layer.
 
In my experience all Cineform files look strange in AE at 32bit mode. I believe it is related to a linear interpretation of light, and you should be able to control those settings, but I have not taken the time to figure out how to do it yet. I just use Cineform files at 16bit in AE, but that may not help you if you are trying to use active metadata. Try Cineform files without metadata in Pr and AE, to see if you find the same differences. That will give you a clue as to the root of the problem.

Edit: It seems that David has beat me to the answer.
 
Hi David x2,

I have a couple of questions.

From exporting from REDCINE QT/Cineform selection what does Cineform output as? 4:4:4 or RAW?

Say, you want to export RED footage as Cineform 4:4:4 and copy them over to HDCAM-SR using Blackmagic's board or Multibridge with dual-link HDSDI, would it playback realtime? Would I have to convert to any format on FCP?
 
David

I was having major audio issues playing a audio file along with the cf HD video in premiere on windows xp, I attached a fasttrack sound card and set premiere to use that for playback rather then the onboard hpxw8600 soundcard, this improved the audio playback greatly, but its still a bit dodgy, not real smooth, do you have any ideas what the root cause of this could be, I have xw8600 with 3gig dual core chip, 3 gig ram, audio and video on there own harddrives, maybe that computer is just under powered?

Thanks
Stricko
 
Stricko, sounds like a good question for support as I don't know about audio card settings.

Kaku, REDCINE based encode to CineForm via QuickTime are 4:4:4. I don't know the performance through a blackmagic card and FCP. We of course 4:4:4 playback all the time wth Wafian boxes (single quad core based,) that is what high end facillities are using. Plus we adding 4:4:4 playout from Premiere Pro Windows via Xena 2Ke. Under FCP and Quicktime, we are left to whatever performance FCP offers, with is less that a Mac should be able to do. We see 4:2:2 playback is real-time in general, 4:4:4 may be on the edge for high-end Macs (weird when home class PCs can do it.)
 
David,

Thanks very much for you input. We have a 8 core 3G and 8 core 3.2G, so we'll test them with Multibridge Pro.

I wish Cineform supports Blackmagic and Matrox, too (I've been convincing Matrox to get in touch with you) that opens up Cineform to more video hardware based systems. Blackmagic's products, Matrox MXO or MXO2 and MOTU V4HD can be used in the same system (of course one selection at at time) and provide really flexible solution. AJA is not included in this because AJA won't allow other hardware t be used to gether (thie software driver prohibits other drivers to be installed).
 
Regarding my last post -

Regarding my last post -

Thanks for pointing out about the first post on this thread(about the R3D2DPX.exe thing).

Dope slap!

Man, I've got to come up for air more often.
 
Happy birthday David.

A week after his birthday David will be at RED Los Angeles User group demoing CineForm products. CineForm will give out the $1,999 door prize.

This is excerpted from the "user groups" section of the forum:

Kappa Studios, Inc. is proud to host the meeting of
RED Los Angeles User Group
Saturday October 4th, 9:00 - 12:00 noon​


To RSVP for the event please visit:

http://www.kappastudios.com/?page_id=21​

This month CineForm's CTO and co-founder David Newman will demonstrate the company's online 4K post-production workflow for Red One. In his presentation David will demonstrate and discuss CineForm's online 4K workflow for both Final Cut Pro and Premiere Pro.

CineForm is sponsoring a door prize of either Prospect 4K (Windows) worth $1999 or Neo 4K (Mac) worth $999, to be chosen by the winner.

Supporting elements of CineForm’s Red workflow include Express Files for reducing required compute power, plus non-destructive Active Metadata as a tool to non-destructively manage portions of your color workflow including White Balance and 3D LUTs. Through its AVI and MOV wrapper compatibility, CineForm files and associated workflow elements are both cross-platform and cross-applications compatible, leveraging many existing industry tools including Iridas, Synthetic Aperture, Combustion, and others.
 
Ha, David, was your birthday last Sunday? If it's so, we have the same birthday. I was too busy transcoding to Cineform for jobs so my wife took me out for nice Italian lunch.

Happy birthday David.
 
Thank you for all for the birthday wishes, now 40.006 years of age (allowing for timezone difference.) I'm now back at the office.

Christopher,
I just installed the last Prospect 4K on Vista 64 and all the LUT management is working fine. File a ticket with Jake as it seems to be issue with that setup, not a general software bug.

Igor & RED Los Angeles User group members,
thanks for the promotion for this Saturday's up coming meeting, all be up before dawn to make the San Diego to LA drive. So expect me to be a little sluggish for the first session. :)
 
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