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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

New monitoring thing in B17

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What is the new monitoring thing next to the traffic lights? I can't find it in the manual or in any posts.
 
What's that new meter?

What's that new meter?

What is the new monitoring thing next to the traffic lights?
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Its an exposure meter for the sensor's RAW data.

If you change the ISO, the histogram and traffic lights - which meter RGB space - react to that change, but the RAW meter does not.

Hence you can tell if you are clipping in RGB space but not at the sensor (or at low ISO values vice versa)


The color coding is the same as the False Color meter - yellow then orange then red is indicating approaching and reaching clip.

Green and blue is indicating you have lots of headroom.
 
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Nice. It should save flipping to raw view all the time. Have to have a play.
 
I do hope they put this on the Scarlet; awesome idea...
 
My question is, how much of the image must be in a "color range" to activate it?
 
Frzendreams said:
My question is, how much of the image must be in a "color range" to activate it?
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It seems like whatever that threshold is, it might be a little low in the current build. In some tests I was running a few minutes ago, it indicates clipping on a shot which is mostly underexposed, but has one hotspot (a light in the frame). This makes it somewhat less useful than it could be.

What I'd really like to see is a preference to automatically switch into raw mode when toggling on the false color exposure view. I know I can do this with two button presses right now, but one would be better... I almost never want to use false color exposure without being in raw mode.
 
I would like to have the raw histogram while working in redspace... is this possible?
 
I'm glad to see an additional meter rather than replacing the existing metering with the RAW meter. Thanks.

A request: Is it possible to add some tick marks to the histogram indicating stops below clipping? I have a visual sense of how many stops I am underexposed based on my current experience but it would be nice to have a real on-screen measure.

Michael
 
facetmedia said:
I would like to have the raw histogram while working in redspace... is this possible?
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This makes a LOT of sense. Actually i never understood the use of an histogram that does not show the whole data the sensor is receiving, but redspace sure gives a more poppy image for your eye and your clients.
Seeing redspace and RAW histogram at the same time would be the most useful feature ever ...
 
Wouldn't your redspace image seem very clipped if you were ETTR based on the raw data?
 
RAW meter

RAW meter

Irri said:
Wouldn't your redspace image seem very clipped if you were ETTR based on the raw data?
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Yes it would (or could based on your ISO choice) so this hence choice of a RGB Histogram and RAW meter as the default meter setup.
 
Am I correct in assuming that the colors are more of a visual reinforcement than a separate variable? As the bars go up with luminance, the colors on each bar do not change, no?

I suppose it's kinda like a luma histogram stuffed into a really really small space (with no Y-values--lol).
 
I'm not sure I understand that question either.

I haven't had much time to experiment with it. Is it just a set of lights that come on as the scene gets brighter and the hue represents the zone like the false colour?

Going back to redspace, would I be right in thinking that it rolls off the highlights in a nice way and also adds some gamma/sat/contrast to more accurately represent the distribution of luminance values so that 18% gray is half way up the histogram etc and is similar to what a REC709 image would like after a grade? Would a downside to that be that we have to underexpose a little (relative to what could with the raw) in order to get the nice curve in the highlights?
 
RAW meter

RAW meter

Is it just a set of lights that come on as the scene gets brighter and the hue represents the zone like the false colour?
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Yes that's exactly how it works... o point the camera at the sun and you will see the yellow and then red bars light up... just like false color.
 
Lakeview Productions said:
Am I correct in assuming that the colors are more of a visual reinforcement than a separate variable? As the bars go up with luminance, the colors on each bar do not change, no?

I suppose it's kinda like a luma histogram stuffed into a really really small space (with no Y-values--lol).
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Stuart English said:
??? Explain that please ...
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(Sorry, it sounded better in my head. :pinch: )

What I meant was: the colors themselves don't change positions on the scale, correct? e.g., the red is always on the top bar of the scale, and blue is always on the bottom?

I have been out location scouting, so I will eventually get around to looking myself . . . feel free to let me figure this one out all by myself!

-Chris
 
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