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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

CineForm Officially Supports Red One

sotty said:
Christopher,

Thats what I wasn't understanding. So when we speak RAW we are speaking the cineform RAW rewrapped r3d. ?

I don't get that folder structure created "Express, HD444, Raw", I only get one folder created for the script I run. Batch to Express, I only get an Express folder created, batch to HD444 only the HD444 folder is created, etc. Is there another script or should I be editing one of the batch scripts to create the 3 folders simultaneously?

Also, I noticed Batch to Raw doesn't batch convert all in one root folder as express and the others do. It converts one clip and stops, has this been disabled for
Batch Raw?

Thanks again.
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You would need a script that makes three directories. Which three? There are too many possibilities. I understand that some may want to batch both express and RAW or HD444 or whatever you need (up to you.) But by providing sample scripts is would be very easy to create, or have a batch that batches the scripts.

I just downloaded R2CFv155.zip and tried the BatchRAW on my underpowered home P4, and it worked fine, producibg a "RAW" path just like the "express" and "HD444" sample scripts (the scripts are all the same code, just with the header changed.) One possibility: if you aren't running Prospect 4K or NEO 4K, then you don't have a RAW license causing the RAW script to fail. I think you might need to update your R2CF tools and scripts.
 
Gabriele Turchi said:
Thanks David

But now that you are supporting final cut pro too...are you planning to support the Kona under OSX ? What about premiere under OSX?

G
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Very different stories. Premiere is an open platform, allowing third party acceration, FCP is not. So for FCP we are much more limited, we do plan to add pixels format that help the HDSDI cards but we can have no direct control over them. Many FCP limitations that can drive developers nuts, so we haven't focused on Kona yet.

The openess on the Premiere Pro allows us to add custom features that target the AJA cards, and soon others. There is reason this thread is focusing on Premiere Pro PC, not FCP.
 
David Newman said:
You would need a script that makes three directories. Which three? There are too many possibilities. I understand that some may want to batch both express and RAW or HD444 or whatever you need (up to you.) But by providing sample scripts is would be very easy to create, or have a batch that batches the scripts.

I just downloaded R2CFv155.zip and tried the BatchRAW on my underpowered home P4, and it worked fine, producibg a "RAW" path just like the "express" and "HD444" sample scripts (the scripts are all the same code, just with the header changed.) One possibility: if you aren't running Prospect 4K or NEO 4K, then you don't have a RAW license causing the RAW script to fail. I think you might need to update your R2CF tools and scripts.
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I have licensed Prospect 4K. I will try again tomorrow, as of now in RAW batch, it stops after it converts one.
 
Gabriele Turchi said:
Guys, nobody have tried Xena under bootcamp?

Or,

According to this article :
http://www.aja.com/html/press_ibc2008.html
It seems that having a kona and loading a xena drivers unders bootcam , let us use the Kona unders windows, so does it means that a Kona under bootcamp became a xena and so compatible with cineform?


Thanks

G
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David what about This?

Thanks

G
 
sotty said:
I have licensed Prospect 4K. I will try again tomorrow, as of now in RAW batch, it stops after it converts one.
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If you are still not seeing the "RAW" folder, you are not running current software. If you are seeing a RAW folder and the conversion is failing somehow, try doing RAW on 2K or 3K sources to see if you have memory problem with 4K.
 
Getting this thread a little more on track, here is a minor update to the convertor and scripts http://www.miscdata.com/red/R2CFv156.zip. Unzip the contents into: C:\Program Files\CineForm\Tools. To use this you must have NEO 4K or Prospect 4K installed on your Windows OS (trial version also work.)

This handled corrupted R3D files better, so the batch continues without issue.
 
David Newman said:
If you are still not seeing the "RAW" folder, you are not running current software. If you are seeing a RAW folder and the conversion is failing somehow, try doing RAW on 2K or 3K sources to see if you have memory problem with 4K.
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Ok, here are a few of issues i'm having;

It does create the RAW folder, but, it skips certain r3d files and jumps to the next, these are brand new imports, they don't exist anywhere else so its not
reading that they exist already and moves on to the next.

I found that I needed to delete the 1k file in the Express folder, do RAW batch first, then go back and do Express, for whatever reason its buggy, for me anyways, doing Express, then RAW.

Also, on ctrl C to stop program, it stops the process, but trying to X out the window it won't close, it simply jumps to the next file in the batch, so I have to ctrl C it as many as there are r3d files its searching for.

When I link the 1K to raw to export, the only export I can do w/o premier and media player crashing is uncompressed windows AVI, cant do cineform AVI export.

Could simply be my machine.

Running Vista, ATI 2600HD video card, AMD 2, 4G ram.
 
Sotty, yes you do seem to be having some odd problems. They seem to be unique - at least nobody else has reported anything similar yet.

Most importantly, have you installed the last R2CF converter? In the post immediately above yours David Newman posted a link to the latest - v156. One of the things we've done in recent releases is to identify "bad" R3D files which otherwise cause the conversion to halt. If we properly identify a "bad" file we can then skip it and continue the processing. Our experience recently is that "bad" files are usually the culprit that halts the conversion.

I *think* Thor has been successful converting feature-length drives full of R3D files.

Regarding workflow, as you seemed to have some questions, you have two primary choices:

1) Convert directly from R3D to CineForm files at your online resolution (HD / 2K / 4K) and edit those directly. Running the batch script should create a folder that will contain all of the converted files for the specified resolution.

2) First create Express Files which is very fast - much faster than RT on a dual quad. Because these are "mini-me" versions of the full-res files you can color correct them and apply Active Metadata. In the background you can be converting another folder full of your full-res CineForm files. When you're ready you can unlink the Express Files and relink to the full-res CineForm files. The link/unlink process on PPro takes literally seconds. Your Active Metadata assignments and color corrections (as long as you didn't render) will remain intact.

Hopefully this helps. Let us know....
 
Those symptoms are from very old installs, uninstall Prospect or NEO (plus remove any other instances of R2CF), and reinstall the latest P4K/N4K build, which comes with R2CF that doesn't have any of those issues. Then if you need, install v1.56.
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
On the PC, it's as simple as using the proper nVidia or ATI card with HDMI 1.3 output and there are 5 or 6 of those to choose from.

As far as on the Mac, the only option right now would be the ATI 3870 card, but I haven't worked with one enough to know what it will do. I say that if ATI claims it will output full 10bit over the HDMI port, then give it a try. Not only does the card need to support 10bit HDMI output, but the Mac ATI drivers need to provide for the extended color support beyond 8bits/channel as well and I'm not sure that they do.

Upcoming nVidia and ATI cards targeted at both the Mac and PC will have the DisplayPort connector, which is essentially an upgraded DVI-DL system, but it supports higher resolutions and deeper color. Some monitors on the market already have DisplayPort (like the HP DreamColor) and I think there are a few oddball video cards as well. I'm expecting some DisplayPort options from Apple with the next revision to their Mac Pro systems and I think we can expect to see some new Cinema Displays -- Finally! The new Intel "Nehalem" CPUs were supposed to start shipping by the end of this month or early October (to OEMs), but there are lots of rumors going around now saying that they are delayed slightly to the end of the year or even January. So I'm starting to think we won't see new options from Apple until MacWorld in January.
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Jeff,

3870 was cheap enough, so I bought it yesterday and connected to my Sony W5000 and it works and look good. Do you think this is displaying 10 bit worth?
 
David,

if i am working with a 2k or 4k cineform timeline in Premiere (from Red Footage), can i use the xena (hope i can use the kona under bootcamp as a xena too...) to monitor out at 1920x1080 ?

Or to do a down conversion to SD?

So you said that the xena does not give playback improvement , but many others ... could please tell me a few ?
I am really trying to figure out if i should buy it or not...(excluding for the fact that can be used to capture through the SDI...wich is useful...)

Thanks

G
 
Gabriele Turchi said:
David,

if i am working with a 2k or 4k cineform timeline in Premiere (from Red Footage), can i use the xena (hope i can use the kona under bootcamp as a xena too...) to monitor out at 1920x1080 ?

Or to do a down conversion to SD?

So you said that the xena does not give playback improvement , but many others ... could please tell me a few ?
I am really trying to figure out if i should buy it or not...(excluding for the fact that can be used to capture through the SDI...wich is useful...)

Thanks

G
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You don't need the Xena to be an accelerator (which it is not really anyway) as Prospect is the Premiere accelerator, real-time multi-stream, filters and transitions. Xena is just a great reliable display, mastering and capture card -- highly recommended. We do support 2K windowed to 1920x1080 over the Xena line, and we will be updated 4K preset to support that also shortly. Hardware scaling to SD is a Xena 2K function, and we are finishing Xena 2K support now.
 
Hi David, I'm demoing cf now, I rendered my clips out to HD, my footage is 59.94 fps and I'm having a strange bug with the audio, if I only place audio, like a song or something in my cf timeline, it plays fine, but as soon as I place a cf avi video file on the timeline with my audio, after about 5 seconds, the audio starts clicking and popping and fuzzs out, if I stop and play again, it again will play for 5 seconds then crap out, i have a hp xw8600 with one quad core 3 gig chip and 3 gig ram, onboard sound card.

Do you have any ideas, it's like my computer can't keep up with audio and video at the same time, very strange, let me know if you have any suggestions.

Thanks
Stricko
 
Stricko - if your audio and video files are on the same hard drive, try moving the audio to another drive (other than your boot drive) and see if this makes any difference. Could be you hard drive read head is busy enough reading the HD material without also having to scout for the audio files. Just a thought.
 
R3D2DPX.exe

R3D2DPX.exe

Hello All.

Still quite new to this forum.

This is probably a dumb question . . .

I understand that the folks at Cineform had pulled the "R3D2DPX.exe"
until the SDK was released from Red. My question is, now that the SDK
has been released, how come Cineform won't rerelease the converter?

Thanks.
 
David, does Active Metadata work with Vista 64? I succesfully got R2CF to convert the R3D files and I tried to apply some LUT's but it won't work. Nothing happens as if the Look is empty even though the Looks are in the database.

This is not my machine so I am not sure why it does not work. All metadata like WB, and curves do not seem to work inside Premiere Pro. Only thing I can think of is Vista 64...? I reinstalled latest build (181) but the components do not seem to register.

Thanks.
 
Christopher, we still do most of our testing on XP 32 and XP 64, being that they are much more stable OSes for the post tools out there. That said, Vista 64 pretty much works for all but one HDLink function, but I will have someone test the 3D LUT engine today.
 
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