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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

CineForm Officially Supports Red One

So you all know, I am trying to put the engineers at Aaton together with our resident genius Mr. Newman.. Hopefully with their collective smarts, along with the files I sent, something can be created.

Thor, get that food ready!

Jay
 
Jay,

You're the man!

I'm syncing audio for a feature right now... it's so tedious!

I'm syncing in FCP for the actual edit, and then again in Premiere (Cineform Express files) for some testing.

If you efforts yeild a viable Cineform solution, I'll throw in some fresh baked cookies!

-Thor
 
Thor,

I'm wondering how you are syncing soundfiles in PP, since PP cannot read TC in sound files. But then I guess you are syncing your footage using a slate, hence your "tedious" workflow.

If you, Jay or anyone else has an idea how to make PP reading TC in sound files or a clever workaround I would really like to know.

Hans
 
Hans, that's exactly what we are attacking right now. The goal is to do it during transcoding so that once the file is made the audio is "Baked" into the file and loaded in for editing. From what Mr. Newman is saying, different editing programs will accept different amounts of audio tracks. However, once the "framework" of the program is compelted (I.E. the ability to read the timecode of the selected file and line it up with the new cineform video file). The number of audio tracks, order of tracks, etc. Should be pretty easy.

This is an excitig concept, let's see where it goes.

Jay

Jay
 
Hans von Sonntag said:
Thor,

I'm wondering how you are syncing soundfiles in PP, since PP cannot read TC in sound files. But then I guess you are syncing your footage using a slate, hence your "tedious" workflow.

If you, Jay or anyone else has an idea how to make PP reading TC in sound files or a clever workaround I would really like to know.

Hans
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Hans,

Yes, I am syncing manually to the slate. Argh! :-)

Here's another thought, but it would require some integration with Red, a digital slate manufacturer, and possibly the NLE companies, and the audio device manufacturers...

Have a digital signal transmit from the slate to the USB on the Red, as well as to the audio device. It would place a unique time coded marker on both the audio file, and the .R3D file... they would both be "stamped" with the same marker. That marker would never repeat, so it would always be obvious which audio file goes with which .R3D file.

Do any of the devices mentioned already have the ability to send or receive uniquie markers? Could this be as simple as a programming thing? Or would a standard need to be developed?

-Thor
 
Communication between Cineform and Aaton has begun!! (Giving everyone a play by play here...)

I'm most nervous at this point, hoping there are no real large roadblocks.

This new utility needs a name. I nominate US the wonderful, all knowing, all seeing, all natural, REDUsers... To name it.

How about ..... George...

Or better yet... Waffles!!

Jay
 
Seriously,

perhaps a nod to our french partners who are helping in this endevor... Here are the french words for "sound"

résonner, tonale, sonnons, sonnent, sonnez, sonner

Cine-Tonale ?
CineSonnet ?
CineSonnez?

I need someone that speaks french!

Jay
 
Aaton jumped right in and answered all of David's question. They mentioned this would all be easier if RED could insert the date into the user bits. I wrote Stuart about this and he said it was possible.

Does not mean it cannot be done as it is, but you will have to be careful with shoots that cover multiple days until the date gets put into the timecode from RED

Jay
 
Hi David,

The beta links you posted the last time are not working. Probably removed up on the new one? Please let us know where the new ones are.

Also, the download page email notification scheme seems don't work for me.

Kaku
 
David,

I tried to look around but I couldn't find how to authorize the mac codec with the serial number.

Is there any instruction on your site?

edit:oops, I found the Authenticator.
 
Here is a new version:
http://www.miscdata.com/red/R2CFv154.zip. Unzip the contents into: C:\Program Files\CineForm\Tools. To use this you must have NEO 4K or Prospect 4K installed on your Windows OS (trial version also work.)

No new features yet, but more solid code and a little better error reporting if something goes wrong.
 
David,

Since we want to get into supporting, selling Cineform seriously, what is your recommendation with video display method for color grading on Mac?

I was thinking Multibridge Pro/Eclipse with Astro 24 inch monitor, or HDLinkPro with Apple Cinema Display route.
 
Updates flying. Thank you for the emails, all feedback is welcome. It is the feedback that is driving all the updates, feature requests (like Jay's we are still working on) and bug reports are very helpful. I had it pointed out that 4:4:4 4096x2304 (16x9) conversions without scaling weren't working, yet Raw conversion of the same clip worked fine. It seems the 32-bit address space was limiting the R2CF tool, but I have fix in the issue with this build: http://www.miscdata.com/red/R2CFv155.zip. While no one needs to do 4:4:4 at 4K, RAW being a much better option (see here http://www.reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=283812&postcount=161) it is nice that you can do that testing for yourself. In my last test a sample 4K 16x9 encode produced 70MB/s, which the same file RAW encode is 27MB/s (both Filmscan 1) -- same quality IMHO.
 
David, I'm wondering if the decklink Intesity Pro works with cineform? if not, will it in the future?

thanks
 
We capture from the Decklink Intensity Pro in HDLink, we just haven't completed Premiere Pro integration for using it as a monitoring card. There are BlackMagic driver issues that did slow us down, yet we have a plan to work around them. Only issue is have enough engineering staff to do it quickly (and we are in a hiring mode.)
 
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