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New Sony´s F35

I had an interesting conversation with the Sony Digital Cinema marketing manager today as she visited my post house facility.

She was talking about the F23 when I popped a series of questions about the F35. What I got out of it was that this is only in Japan to test the market first and won't open worldwide until late 08'.

This is going to be a rental camera because its 3 times the price of the F23. We're talking 7 digits here folks! I know cause I have the F23 quote.

The other extra tidbits I got was that the F23 was 7 years in the making and since the F23 release F900 sales have jumped surprising even Sony.

Oh well, at least I got a Cinealta jacket out of this. (The gold one mind you)

Peter Mourougaya
Pixelsgarden Post Producer
 
CraigWB said:
Anyone else notice the pattern in Sony's new naming scheme?
f23 - Film style camera with 2/3 " sensor
f35 - Film style camera with 35 mm sensor

I'm gonna predict the Sony f65 or f70
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and fIMAX :)
 
Believing in RED

Believing in RED

Mike Prevette said:
the F35 doesn't look that bad. I'd shoot with it in a heartbeat, but my only point is at this point it's even less proven than the Red in the field. We should e fair with our criticism. Nothing i perfect Sony nor Red.
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I believe in the RED team - but to be fair it is just belief. Sony (as frustrating as some of their marketing can be) has a long track record of producing tens of thousands of professional/broadcast cameras used on millions of professional shoots. That's not trivial.

Also crewpix point:

CrewPix.com said:
I think what the Sony has going for it is that you can probably plug it in to any broadcast truck or any existing HD studio and have it work. No wondering which outputs are enabled, what type of data it spits out, etc. Some people are willing to pay for that.
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I've been saying for over 3 years that I wouldn't buy a $40K plus HD camera unless a had a job/contract in hand that was going to pay for it completely. But if you have that - why not?

redicule said:
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it's design remind's me with this
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Then again, you could argue that without the recorder docked, it looks like a box with a lens on the front, which is exactly what the red is.
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And one of the things I love about RED - I can strip it down or build it up depending on the situation.
 
Oliver Bovis, head of content creation with Sony Europe said the following in an article:

Sony is very happy to claim it will have the best 2K camera when the F35 launches at IBC, so when can we expect a true 4K system and resolution of the Bayer pattern limitations?

“At the moment there is a lot of hype around what 4K stands for in terms of resolution. Most of the energy – and what makes the F23 and F35 so good and unique is because the focus is more on the picture quality, the dynamic range, and all the criteria that lay behind, not so much the resolution,” he added. “We want to make some comparison tests, and if you were to compare the F23 and the F35 I wouldn’t be surprised, with the Red for example, if you see a better resolution (from our cameras). And the dynamic range is miles better than anything else.

“When we come with a 4K camera, we will be keeping the best picture with a real, proper, full 4K resolution, not some kind of compression that is supposedly 4K and ends being nothing like 4K at the end of it,” Bovis said.
 
Owning Sony HDCAM and RED i can clearly say that red beats -any- sony hdcam and hdcam sr camera on the market in resolution for sure. They are excellent cameras however, and their dynmaic range is very good.

However one shouldnt underestimate Sony at all. They have a pretty long breath, awesome technology, an pretty good international support and are about to wake up.

Their main problem isnt that they cant build excellent cameras, but rather that red messed up the precisely aligned product matrix.

However, as Arri seems to sleep on, one should expect most competition short- and mid-term to red coming from the japaneses behemonths and the japanese photographic specialists, and maybe also from europes Thomson.
 
Better resolution from F23 and F35 than RED. That's pure nonsense. Can you remember how you thought when you first learned that HDCAM was 1440x1080 not 1920x1080?

Graeme
 
Sony Europe said:
...the focus is more on the picture quality, the dynamic range, and all the criteria that lay behind, not so much the resolution
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One can trade resolution to get more dynamic range, but one can never trade dynamic range to get more resolution. RED chose the more powerful and flexible technology.
 
Graeme Nattress said:
Better resolution from F23 and F35 than RED. That's pure nonsense. Can you remember how you thought when you first learned that HDCAM was 1440x1080 not 1920x1080?

Graeme
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perfectly, and that also cleared up why our disc-basing shots at 1920*1080 always keyed better.

sonys cameras have several strenghts over the red thats for sure, but its crystalclear that *resolution* certainly isnt one of them.

However their marketing mumbo-jumbo shows some effect, just got a call from a colorist who claims that the red would have 1.5K resolution *sigh*...
 
There's no absolute king on which camera is better. You can discuss until cow comes home and you still wont finish. Most important is how you get the best out of the camera.

What i really love about RED that i dont find in any other company is our camera will never obsolete and we can keep upgrading it, this is the distinct advantage as compare to others. And nobody for now is able to beat RED's price point.

With that being said, i'm very curious of Epic and Monstro sensor. Next year this topic will become Epic vs Sony F35
 
I certainly think that the best guaranty a RED costumer could have over Sony, Panavision or even Arri, is that be Have Jim Jannard ahead of the company. By saying this I mean, ok, let`s face it, red is not perfect yet. But from someone who loves film and loves to shoot like Jim, you can all bet your arses that he would not stop until he makes the most perfect digital camera on the world (an he can afford that too).
Adding to that, that he even makes free upgrades to hardware and software.

So I can be greateful to Jim and the whole Red team for they superhuman effort on making the whole Red project avaible to us and into a very fair price.

Look at it the other way, Jim is sharing with us his dream camera (he could have afford just to make one for himself). So thanks again for sharing your vision and making a high quality image our project deserve at an affordable price.
 
So the F35 is 1920x1080...
What's their problem with 2K?
It would have been a better solution...

Wiki says this:
"Besides, Sony has also announced that Cinealta 4K, a 4K production suite including a 4K digital cinema camera and recorder, is being developed. The results are still a few years in coming."

Should be interesting...

I wonder how RED is going to counter it, ignoring the price point differences of course.
 
Funny that they only quote 1000 TV lines (per picture height) as the resolution, a full 7.5% less than 1080.... I wonder if they knock 7.5% off the price if you mention that - and that's about the price of a RED ONE....

Graeme
 
Impagliazzo said:
So the F35 is 1920x1080...
What's their problem with 2K?
It would have been a better solution...

Wiki says this:
"Besides, Sony has also announced that Cinealta 4K, a 4K production suite including a 4K digital cinema camera and recorder, is being developed. The results are still a few years in coming."

Should be interesting...

I wonder how RED is going to counter it, ignoring the price point differences of course.
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few years to come eh..by that time RED is already moving somewhere else..yep..not impressed. You do know Epic 5K is next year and Monstro in 2010. I dont sold to Sony anymore nowadays, met their arrogant marketing guy where he kept insult RED indirectly. Chuckle...keep it on
 
Jannard said:
The reason that we decided to make the RED ONE is that we couldn't see any company making the camera "we" wanted.
Jim
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'we' want interchangeable lens option in scarlet. in theory you are capable on delivering such a thing. but you don't. than why do you claim to be one? There is no difference between RED,SONY or Panavision etc. :ranting2:
 
Don't confuse the "we" that are the makers of the RED and the "we" that are some of the users of the RED or some of the participants of this forum.
 
That camera is called the Red One...

Or look at it another way:
Which would give you the best resolution, least CA and least breathing:
A- Scarlet with fixed lens.
B- Scarlet with interchangeable lens, and you put some cheap lens on it (otherwise you would be in the Red One price range).
C- A F900 (or maybe F23 or F35) with the best optics available.

Somehow I'm going to suspect it's A. In regards to B versus A, Nikon still lenses will breathe. The "cheap" 2/3" zooms under $10k aren't that great (especially if they are designed for ENG use)... breathing and CA galore.

(Aargh I think I just succumbed to this threadjack.)
 
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