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The Russian Red: 2k, 4k, 8k, 16K!!

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Hi,
I just thought I would share this russian camera make with you.

http://www.kinor.ru/products/camera/

They all look amazing.
2K
2K High Speed (700FPS)
4K (600 FPS option)

and then I went to the DCX and I was gob smacked! Its a made to order camera and it can be taken to the extream. Kind of like Dells custom a laptop yet its a camera and it can be put on serious steriods.

16K Resolution (I smell overkill)
12 Sensors!
HDR 3X64 bit depth
10,000 FPS on HD and 50,000 FPS! on VGA
With custom desgin and custom software

If I could have any camera it would be that. (Or a nice 72mm Camera)
 
Anybody can slap together a breadbox camera from off the shelf CMOS sensors and parts these days. But with zero 3rd party support, no tech support, no fellow users to ask questions from, no test footage etc- what's the point?

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vs.
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In fact looking at those two cameras side by side I wouldn't be surprised if some phone calls to patent lawyers have been made....


-Noah
 
If I had the money I would buy one no question. I can still shoot ultra slowmotion HD, and have the ability to switch between Resolutions and great HDR.

And if your comparing looks, thats pretty wrong. It doesn't matter what the camera looks like It matters what the image produced looks like.
 
I guess the optics are Optica Elite...

or am I wrong?

Have anyone seen images from this thing?
What kind of data is it recording?

Gunleik
 
Maxim said:
If I had the money I would buy one no question. I can still shoot ultra slowmotion HD, and have the ability to switch between Resolutions and great HDR.

And if your comparing looks, thats pretty wrong. It doesn't matter what the camera looks like It matters what the image produced looks like.
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Um are you the inventor or something- your english phrasing sounds just like that web site. And you're right- who cares about the looks. Well ok maybe the producers funding a film wondering if the camera can make it through a shoot, etc.

To me this looks like a one-off speculative camera from a one-man band camera company in Russia hoping to get some attention and maybe some orders of its prototype gear. The website looks like it was put up in about 5 minutes using Alta-Vista babelfish translation. Kinda cheap and obvious in that way. But happy to be proven wrong.

Noah
 
I just checked in with them and I can order one now and they will build it. The only downside is that it will take 4 years to build. I might just keep my Red instead.:biggrin:
 
This is nothing new. And until I see it in front of me for real it is vaporware.
 
Ofcorse I am not the inventor.Its just you jump to the conclusions with barely no proof of them.

I watched footage from there 4K and it looks great and a full kit at only 20,000 euros. To me sounds like a good deal, so I assume they will do a good job with the DCX.

Like I said its a made to order camera with many options, there not premade like there other cameras.

Noah I assume you have some experiance in the bussiness since you own a RED but you would know producers look at the best looking footage reproduced. I may be making a film for Channel 4 (Big channel in the UK). And I will be using an HV20 with a Brevis and some other pieces of kit.

EDIT: 4 Years, ouch.
I wish I had a RED but I can't afford one :(
 
Unlimited dynamic range!!???

What a estatement, Steve Sherrick, tell me if its true in 4 years ok?

Anyway, how much are they asking for this "bussiness killer"?
 
I seem to remember the similar attitude shown when one guy said he'd build a 4k camera few years ago...with no experience whatsoever in camera production...now every-freakin'-body is a supporter.

Yes the website sucks and yes someone needs to work on marketing and industrial design, but I totally respect the effort and the people who chose to be creative, especially in this industry. Judging by the location of this company I guess that they also have a "slightly" larger challenge...and I personally wish them all the best.

Seeing people piss on anything but RED is annoying.
 
There are demo files available for the 2K if anyone wants to see them. I'm downloading them right now but it would seem that their website is missing a lot of files so I'm only getting one or two of them.
 
I was kidding of course about the 4 years. :-)

Omen, I see where you are coming from on this. I tend to keep an open mind towards everything. If I saw footage from it that blew me away, I would certainly be interested in it. It was seeing footage from the Red projected onto a big screen that finally sealed the deal for me to buy the camera. I would need the same kind of selling point with any camera. The proof is in the images and how they hold up when projected. I wish any entrepreneur luck with their endeavors because being a small business is not easy and takes a lot of blood, sweat, and determination just to have a chance, nevermind actually succeeding. So, I wish this company nothing but the best in getting things off the ground.
 
Well, I do too admire people who is creative (Im not a red fan boy). Anyhow, if the could bring 16K, Unlimited dynamic range and over 5000fps, image what JIM could do, if the technology is there.
The way I see it, if they really have created something as close as they offer, I see a merge of industries, and the European RED facility being on Russia.

But let`s be real. The way the camera is announced, and "unlimited dynamic range", seems far from a fair deal. And RED unfortunately also oppened the door for new kind of scams. (Many people tought red was a scam, they prove not, so another company could also prove a new prototype or a brick in a box).
 
Hmm...okay, not much in the demos. This is certainly something to keep an eye on though I don't think it's a RED competitor at this point. They clearly have a long way to go before harnessing the power of whatever sensor they paid for. If anything it almost looks like someone was going through RED's garbage and decided to use the notes to make their own camera. There is one demo clip that looks kinda like it was shot with an early RED camera.
 
Kinor's been in business for a while, so this would be more in the D21 line of things than the RED. (I am not talking technicalities, more: herritage)

As Noah says, it can be done and is done by quite a few. Weisscam, and the other german thingy, the s16mm digital Swede and Silicon Imaging all share similarities with RED and Kinetta.

The fun part with RED - even though it is the most sold of them - is that even with a billionaire backing the development and a couple of thousand cams out in a year - the whole system still have places to mature and workflows to make easy.

Not really pulling a Sony here, but I think that might be an even harder trick to pull off without extended user base and low liquidity.

just my 2c

G
 
They have footage out for there 2K, and They will also soon have footage for there 4K out. so I don't think it is a scam
 
If they manage to make this really real, why not?

Competition is a good thing.

But it seems rather obscure right now and this does not inspire confidence.

In a world where RED is prowling, a competitive camera company has to be at least as open and user-friendly as RED is.

Otherwise they're lost.

Not only these Kinor brothers ( ;) ), but Sony and all the other companies.

RED has raised the bar very much with their price\performance and the attitude towards users.

The new (camera) world order.

Good for us. :)
 
I'm all for more tools in he arsenal. This is nothing new. The Kinor stuff has been floating out there for a few years now. We've been invloved with Phantom for more than two years and have been well aware of what else is and isn't out there and how real any of it is. I wouldn't be fretting the Kinors too much.
 
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