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Ok , I have question that my friend as me today . Sow First of all i am not good in CC , sow it can be funny .
Ok question is like : if i have no money to buy or i have no color fillters like Color-Grad® Filters or full Color Filters , will i get same result in Post production CC job with 4K footage ?
If i shoot once with Yellow Filter in Camera and Then i shoot same without Color Filter - Can i add Yellow filler effect in CC and will it be same result ?

Today i ask for some old shool DOPs , and they tell me that if you have FILM camera you must youse Color Filters , because CC will not give you same result as it is with Color Filters . :(

Thanks .
 
Biba said:
Ok , I have question that my friend as me today . Sow First of all i am not good in CC , sow it can be funny .
Ok question is like : if i have no money to buy or i have no color fillters like Color-Grad® Filters or full Color Filters , will i get same result in Post production CC job with 4K footage ?
If i shoot once with Yellow Filter in Camera and Then i shoot same without Color Filter - Can i add Yellow filler effect in CC and will it be same result ?

Today i ask for some old shool DOPs , and they tell me that if you have FILM camera you must youse Color Filters , because CC will not give you same result as it is with Color Filters . :(

Thanks .
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I don't shoot with FX/color filters and really don't know anyone who does. It's my understanding that with digital RAW, your better off doing it in post.
 
Yes, filters are still used in camera and on lights as well.
Even if you're not "scanning for CC", you are color timing with lights. Especially if you are cutting negative and striking an answer print.
 
Shawn Booth said:
Yes, filters are still used in camera and on lights as well.
Even if you're not "scanning for CC", you are color timing with lights. Especially after you cut negative and strike an answer print.
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when you say lights, do mean on-set lights, or color timing lights. Because there will always be a need to gel on set lights
 
Biba said:
Yes but , in Film World FX/Color Filters are still on Job ?
or it is Dead story for cheap projects , when you are planing to cut negative film , and are not scanning footage for CC job ?
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Filters are still used in both film and digital productions, depending on what the DP wants, but I BELIEVE they're more popular on film shoots and much more scarce on digital shoots. Except for things like NDs, polarizers, etc.
 
Gradient filters can help to tame wide-DR scene when normally You would blow both highlights and shadows. With gradient filter You can bring both to within the range of the sensor and end up with far greater image quality then You would have otherwise.

I do agree with Brandon that You are far better off doing color in post. What I have said above would only imply neutral (grey) filters and only for the purpose of controlling exposure - not the color...

But some may prefer to use filter/gells to modify overall lighting of the scene to the day-light-optimized Red One sensor. This should improve the image quality...

Just my two pesos...

BTW: Brandon - check Your PM/e-mail - You've got some updates... :)
 
Shoot it how you want it to look. Its not just about how it looks in the end but how it feels on set. if that means lighting the lenses on fire then thats what it means, The art is on the set and creating the images you will be proud of. It looses its satisfaction in a post house on a CC machine. Not law by any means just how i feel by the way.
 
Interesting question. I cheaply got some color filters on Ebay (a lot of them orange and yellow) and did a quick test to see if you can get the same results in RedCine when playing with the color channels as when you are shooting with filters and the answer is: yes, you can pretty much get the same results in post. In some cases you would get more noise, because you amplify certain channels but it depends on available light and resolution if that would be a problem.
 
I have outlined what John says above in the first chapter of our workflow breakdown over at scarletuser. Currently is it based on (and also applies to) Red One until Scarlet is out:

http://www.scarletuser.com/showthread.php?t=567

It might be worth reading it...

:) Peter
 
I wonder if filters that are used to make a color instead of neutralizing the lights will disappear in the near future. I noticed that my way of planning is more and more like this: create raw footage as perfect as possible, footage with which you can still go any way you like (within obvious limitations), make decisions in post
 
there is an article in DV magazine about this here its page 16 of the current DV mag if link does not work
 
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