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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Cineform?

david,
kinda side note, what is with the 1 second hang when you press play in PPro.

i am running prospect 4k on cs3
 
When things settle we going to look into why that has increased a little, but the short delay is partly filling the pipeline for the playback engine. CTRL+Spacebar will play immediately without the pipeline, but that mode is not as fast.
 
your up early for a sunday
cool...keep optimizing

:sorcerer:
 
Hey David, we are doing a shoot in August with Sony EX1s. Will my Aspect HD handle that footage at 720p? Do I need to update to a new version? I have version 5.0.2 now.

What Cineform product will allow me to work with EX1 files at 1080p?
 
David - I have been reviewing my eventual addition of a Cineform system to my setups, specifically for my RED projects (I currently deliver HD shows using a Matrox Axio). I'm confused about one recommendation on your site: It shows you recommending a 64bit system running XP64, but the Adobe CS3 package is not 64bit. How does the advantage of 64bit work in this case?

Also, in comparing my Matrox system versus a potential Cineform installation, I'm concerned about not having the I/O that I have with the Matrox breakout box. Is there a one-box solution to go from the Aja Xena to XLR, HDMI, Component, etc., or would you basically need to hook up different conversion boxes to the HD-SDI outputs? Also, in regards to a RED workflow - if you can output the monitoring of 2K via the Xena, what would you suggest is the best way to actually monitor in 2K? Maybe the Dell 30"? I did just find this on your site: "Monitoring using OEM Xena-2K is not yet supported, but it is on the list to complete."
 
i think(i may be wrong) cineform is 32 bit
so it could only access 2 or 3 gigs, but a 64 bit os can have more total ram
that can be used by the os....so cineform would use 2(or 3)gigs...but there would still be plenty for the os and 2 gig for PPro and all the other crap running.

I have 64bit vista(not always the best choice) with 8 gigs

on a true 64 bit program like syntheyes 64, it makes a major difference...but i'm not sure how much that would benefit cineform....
 
I have been using Aspect for a while now, and it is a great product. We will soon be upgrading to Prospect 4K when we begin our Red project shortly.

I have found that Premiere and AE CS3 are much more stable on XP64 even though it operates under 32 bit emulation. This is partly because of the additional RAM allowed. Each application can use 4 Gigs of RAM on it own and still leave overhead for the OS.

We saw Premiere CS3 crashes disappear when we switched to XP64 and added more RAM. We edit longform narrative projects on the system.

Edgar
 
It is true Premiere is a 32-bit, and so are the CineForm components, yet a 64bit OS allows 32-bit apps to address 4GB rather than 2 or 3GB. Premiere is often needing more memory so the 64-bit OS helps.

Xena 2K is being work on activity. Today you can simple use a second 30" display with a stretch desktop (2.5K display -- nice), or a Xena LHe for 1920x1080p 10-bit output.
 
Man....looking over AJA's Xena 2K offering....that thing is Aaaaaawesome! Of course, I would rather you simply get a good RED workflow happening first, but I look forward to the day when you fully support the Xena 2Ke too. That would just be the end-all be-all....until the Xena 4K comes out ;).

Thanks for the clarification on 64bit! Guess I need to get me one of them there 64bit machines! Actually, I have a 64bit machine built for music composition (Vista64 - could not get XP64 to work with my motherboard), and it works very well, but before tonight I figured a 64bit machine for the CS3 work would be overkill.
 
How do you guys from Cineform (David Taylor and david Newman) plan to encode R3D RAW into Cineform RAW?

I mean, it will be only a software based solution?

Could you please give us an idea of the encoding time?

I mean, i know that the SDK has been released just a few days ago , but..... any chances to have it in realtime????in some way???

just an idea?

Thanks

G
 
Gabriele, actually the SDK is not yet released, but the signups were opened last week. We are waiting to receive the SDK before we'll be able to comment on specific workflow, techniques, and performance. In fact, we want to know the answers to those questions too! We have a roadmap planned, but the SDK will influence that so I'd rather not comment yet on specifics.
 
Thanks David

when do you think you will be able to offer RED RAW to Cineform RAW conversion?...i mean , i know that you can't say it for sure but....more or less ?(like not less than 2 months ?etc...)

PS:today is already possible convert to CF 444 and use the new set active metadata feature from RED RAW Material? (using REDCINE to convert?)

I have not tested yet...

PS: i have tried the clip that you post here RAW and 444 , i have noticed that in My Mac Pro dual core 2.66 when i activate the metadata in the panel the playback go from 24 fps to 12 fps ...i have checked the activity monitor of the Mac Pro and the CPU is at 50% and the RAM available i5 5Gb....is it a Video cards matter? ( i am running an Nvidia 7300 GT...)

wich video card should playback fine?



Thanks


G
 
Actually i have tried right now to convert some RED RAW footage into the Cineform codec ....but the active metadata features did not work....

G
 
Gabriele Turchi said:
Thanks David

when do you think you will be able to offer RED RAW to Cineform RAW conversion?...
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Gabriele, because features and performance of a CineForm solution are heavily influenced by the SDK we haven't seen, it's not possible to be very specific about schedules yet. But we imagine the first look at our support for Red should be less than two months.

Gabriele Turchi said:
today is already possible convert to CF 444 and use the new set active metadata feature from RED RAW Material? (using REDCINE to convert?)
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Yes that is correct.

Gabriele Turchi said:
PS: i have tried the clip that you post here RAW and 444 , i have noticed that in My Mac Pro dual core 2.66 when i activate the metadata in the panel the playback go from 24 fps to 12 fps ...i have checked the activity monitor of the Mac Pro and the CPU is at 50% and the RAM available i5 5Gb....is it a Video cards matter? ( i am running an Nvidia 7300 GT...)
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To offer some insight, QT Player and FCP are accessing our software through the QT interface. For some reason performance is degrading significantly through the QT interface, whereas when we directly access our SW (bypassing QT) performance remains very high - similar to Windows performance. We're actively working with Apple on this playback performance issue.

Gabriele Turchi said:
wich video card should playback fine?
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CineForm does not use the graphics card for GPU processing - only display. Consequently the choice of graphics card doesn't matter. That said, there are often minor display differences between cards. We haven't characterized them yet.
 
David Taylor said:
To offer some insight, QT Player and FCP are accessing our software through the QT interface. For some reason performance is degrading significantly through the QT interface, whereas when we directly access our SW (bypassing QT) performance remains very high - similar to Windows performance. We're actively working with Apple on this playback performance issue.
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Is it possible to access your sw bypassing QT?
How did you do at NAB ( the playback was perfect on a MAC ...)


As i wrote in the previous post i have just tried to convert an RED RAW file into CF 444 , but when i open the set active metadata panel and i try to switch some .look or change the WB nothing happen...

Any ideas?

Thanks


G
 
Hi Gabriele,

One thing to make sure is that the frames from QT are actually cached properly so that the SetActiveMetadata applet can "see" what the QT file that is being decoded is.

What has helped me is to playback the file a couple seconds before opening SetActiveMetadata, or in the actual applet itself going to File->New, and opening a new clip metadata window. Also you can quickly scrub through the clip a couple frames, and that helps as well.

Once you do this "refresh" to the QT layer (BTW, this applies OS-wide), you can then go into SetActiveMetadata, and if it's already open, go to File->New. From there you should get a window that will let you apply new .Look files, etc. After you've applied the new settings you want, go back to QT Player (or whatever application is decoding your QT file . . . could be FCP as well), and scrub through the clip . . . the settings should switch over.

I would also make sure that in your CineForm System Preferences you have the active metadata switches turned on for .Looks, etc.

Finally, as always, make sure you have the latest version :)

Hope this helps,

Jason
 
Hi Jason

Thanks
i have tried all your suffestion but it doesn't works....it works correctly using the 4 clips that david have posted (2 clips RAW and 2 444)but not with the images from RED converted using REDCine...

I am running the very last version of Cineform (Version 1.1.0.56) and REDCine...

Does anybody had success with this?

Thanks


G
 
Gabriele, we posted Build 58 last week. Please uninstall Build 56, then install Build 58 and try again.

If you continue to have problems, please reply to my PM so we can work through this with you off-board.
 
My apologies...

now it works!!!

Do you think that transcoding the RED RAW to CF RAW will be faster or slower...?

Thanks!!

G
 
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