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Panavision videos...

ChristopherKenworthy said:
Wow. He really wanted it to look like that? I'm stunned. Has anybody seen a Genesis movie with good skin tones? I've only seen two, and both looked plastic as.
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Apocalypto and Deja Vu were very beautiful - the Panavision Genesis is a excellent camera.

People often confuse artistic intent and technical boundary.

Michael Mann and Dion Beebe are a great example for this (Miami Vice), as is Steve McNutt (Battlestar Galactica) - they all choose gritty and harsh looks, even if the used Sony HDCAMs or Thomson Vipers usually output a extremly clean signal.

What i am puzzled about is why Panavision, a company i highly respect, is adressing resolution in its presentation. They dont have a camera which can competete with the red one in terms of resolution.

I also have admit that i am somewhat surprised to see Panavision employees investing so much time in training customers for other manufactueres product.

Regarding the CMOS / CCD debate - we have both systems in house, Sony HDCAM triple 2.2MP CCD-FIT as well as RED single 12MP CMOS and both have advantages and disadvantages.

The good news are, no matter if using SI, Dalsa, RED, Panavision, Weisscam, Vision Research or Sony - the digital cinematographer today has excellent tools at its hands.
 
laguun said:
What i am puzzled about is why Panavision, a company i highly respect, is adressing resolution in its presentation. They dont have a camera which can competete with the red one in terms of resolution.
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I think the heart of that matter is simply a reminder that there is more to getting an amazing image than simply "My camera has more pixels then your camera".
 
Can I ask again if there is any benefit to rendering to 2K over rendering to 1080?
 
Irri said:
Can I ask again if there is any benefit to rendering to 2K over rendering to 1080?
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well ... depends on your aspect ratio - there are several "flavors" of 2K - of course - it can be less than 1080 as well ...

1998x1080, 2048x1080, 2048x858 etc.
 
I was thinking along the lines of 2K being a quarter of 4K therefore giving you the information of 1R, 2G, 1B per pixel. Maybe it doesn't work that way.
 
'It seems quite a trick to me that non co-sited pixels on the sensor become co-sited "as if by magic" on output. Andy... I don't think we would push this issue except for the very technical video Panavision produced to explain the disadvantage of Bayer pattern. It only seems fair that this RGB stripe discrepancy be clearly explained.'

Perhaps in the same way as on the cover of Pink Floyd's 'Dark side of the moon'?

cheers,
hdnow
 
Jim and gang,
I am a new convert to the Red and a long standing ASC member. As I have been using Panavision for a long time I understand their approach. They have become corporate and have a Sony camera that in the real world (like the Sony F35) would cost 250,000 dollars. You have build an upgradable camera that delivers and excites and costs ten percent.
This is a good thing and will make every manufacturer work harder.
 
btw. This was my first post and I just got my serial number (#04396). It is a pleasure being part of this forum.
Peter Lyons Collister, ASC
 
Some anger at Panavision

Some anger at Panavision

After I posted my thoughts regarding Panavision, Arri and Sony about following Jim's business model and making upgradable camera bodies I received some emails and phone calls from exec friends at PV.
I want to clarify that I think the Genesis is a fine camera. I am sure the Arri D-21 and the Sony F-35 are good tools for cinematographers and I didn't mean to diminish those companies. I only wanted to comment on the company and product that Jim has come up with. If rental companies are to survive (which they must) then they cannot do so if the camera bodies cost 250,000 dollars and they have a life of 10 years before new technology makes them unwanted.
I apologize if my words appeared to criticize wither Panavision the company, or the PV 900 and Genesis.

Peter Lyons Collister, ASC








I apologize to
 
We agree that Panavision, Sony and Arri are great companies that have terrific tools for the cinematographer. The world is a better place because of the products and services these companies have delivered over the years. All we wanted to do was provide an alternative that could get in the hands of more people. We are working very hard to accomplish that.

Jim
 
I based in Hong Kong..
I have 1647 and 1648, been serving the commerical field for the last 4 week, including major Hong Kong airline commercial filming work
We do DI post work, and record 20 full length Asian movies in a Months this year

I have a sample RED 35mm film clip made from mixed Asian producers and RED owners

We are all happy with the cinematic screening result..
If Jim wants a copy, I could send to you
Just give me your FedEX aacount..

I would like to see your view, too

I know this may be a wrong place to ask..
My question is how could I synce 2 REDs for 3D Stereoscopic work

I also have a Demo with 3D Stereo RED footage completed in Dolby Digital Cinema DCI's DCP 2K Jpeg2000 package for Digital cinema projection..

I am happy with RED, although still learning the tricks.

I work closely with Dan Carew in Hong Kong to horn the skills in production and Post.

Percy Fung
Hong Kong
 
percy said:
My question is how could I synce 2 REDs for 3D Stereoscopic work
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Hi Percy,
greetings to HK, I've been working there years ago as a creative services director for Mediavision.

You should be able to sync two Reds by genlocking them to a single video signal. I can't check this, since we have only one.

Best regards,

Uli
 
I wonder if some at Panavision are not yet keen on building the best digital capture cine camera. Does Panavision want people to move away from film capture at all?

When the first successful personal computers were invented by Apple, and IBM had to compete, there were many years of intentionally crippled PC's from IBM in order to try and protect their Mini computer market.
 
Steve Sanacore said:
I wonder if some at Panavision are not yet keen on building the best digital capture cine camera. Does Panavision want people to move away from film capture at all?
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When you have 1000+ film cameras sitting in your inventory that are already paid for and rental is almost pure profit, going digital becomes a conflict of interest. It's a tough spot to be in because if you don't compete with your own business, someone else will take that rental business from you (ie. Plus-8 before they bought them out).
 
I saw the SONy F23 on your booth and I had a RED on my booth @HKFilmart 2008.

Did you still love F23 or you changed your LOVE CAM ...

There were only three Cameras on the floor : Gensisis , RED, F23.

STEW.

percy said:
I based in Hong Kong..
I have 1647 and 1648, been serving the commerical field for the last 4 week, including major Hong Kong airline commercial filming work
We do DI post work, and record 20 full length Asian movies in a Months this year

I have a sample RED 35mm film clip made from mixed Asian producers and RED owners

We are all happy with the cinematic screening result..
If Jim wants a copy, I could send to you
Just give me your FedEX aacount..

I would like to see your view, too

I know this may be a wrong place to ask..
My question is how could I synce 2 REDs for 3D Stereoscopic work

I also have a Demo with 3D Stereo RED footage completed in Dolby Digital Cinema DCI's DCP 2K Jpeg2000 package for Digital cinema projection..

I am happy with RED, although still learning the tricks.

I work closely with Dan Carew in Hong Kong to horn the skills in production and Post.

Percy Fung
Hong Kong
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Forget about all techncial issues folks,

To me in D/Film makings :

In states Panavision is Jesus Cameras company.

In EU ARRI is King Cameras company.

In ASIA we have Panavision and Arri,
and REDAPPLE seeds are just planning in the RED field though.

I am a just a humble Bee in ASIA from HKG to tell the truth.

STEW.
HKG
 
Panavision presentation

Panavision presentation

1. Yes, Genesis is nice 14bit HD camera but not affordable for most of us.
2. Rotation of the mirror - "... we can see what we are filming" - what he sees is exactly what is not filmed :-)
 
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