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Bob Gruen

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I'm interested in a full Red One package for feature film production and want to see if I have everything accounted for:

  • Red One 17,500
  • Base Prod Pack 1,250
  • Power Pack 1,450
  • EVF 2,950
  • 7" Monitor 2,500
  • 320 Drive (x2) 1,800

Total: 27,500

Plus
Birger Mount
Canon Lenses
5TB Array for existing Avid workstation

Did I miss anything?
 
I don't know if you have some basics already like mattebox, tripod and head, filters, etcetera. Since I started a Tv seires on my Red I had to get a complete pckage, which turned out to be more than I expected to spend, but when yoiu start you have to finish it, otherwise you will still be renting, picking up stuff and returning to the Rental company. So here is my list what I bought over the last 4 months since I received my Red and what is absolutely necesary to shoot professionally;
6 batteries in all
3 chargers
4 CF card
1 320 GB brick
1 Ronford & Baker head
long legs
short legs
low bowl
HD monitor (Panny 1700)
Aja downconverter
Mattebox
Follow focus
(I already had a set of 35mm primes)
19mm ET arri base
ET Break out box
ND IR cut filters
Handheld grip
Storm case and Peli cases
Modified battery plates to change batteries without rebooting
HD storage and back up hardware
Cables and lots more small stuff I forgot. In all an extra 20000 euros.

Hope this helps.....

Kind regards

Mick van Rossum NSC
 
Get two power packs so you can charge two batteries at a time. That way, you can keep your charging up to speed with your usage. 3 may even be better if the budget allows. There are other chargers out there like the quad-charger from IDX that look to be a good solution too. It will charge 4 batts at a time and gets all 4 to 80% in 2 hours, but takes an additional 2 hours to finish them off.

I'm kinda repeating a lot of what Mick said above, but you need filters. Probably will want the CF module on the camera, just so it's there. You'll find the CF cards are great for hand-held. A good tripod system is a must, mattebox is handy and holds your filters.

Personally, I find that I don't use the cradle. I also don't use the RED baseplate. My typical tripod config for the RED is the 19mm Arri baseplate, 18" or 24" RED Carbon X or ET UltraRods, battery QuickPlate mounted behind the camera via universal mount. Another universal mount (RED or Ugrip) mounds the Ugrip mounting box underneath the rods to hold the RED Drive. RED top mounts on top with top handle + extension. Will mount the ET top cheeseplate if needed and remove the handle if I want to mount stuff on top. I find that is often better than top rods and more u-mounts. I don't like hanging top rods over the rear of the camera and mounting stuff there as it gets in the way.

If you're going with the Birger mount and Canon lenses, you don't need a follow focus unless you have manual lenses.

I don't know I could go on, and on...
 
I have a Cartoni Focus tripod and I'm one of the first 50 to get the Redrock Mattebox. The Birger Mount is a follow focus solution so that's covered. I will be doing abit of handheld I'm sure so a few CF cards sounds appropriate.

What are the charge vs useage rates on the batteries? My current HVX battery solution charges in 1 hour and is good for three. Do you have six batteries to get through an entire shooting day?

Bob
 
What do you guys find the best solution for a double-battery hot swap pack for use with the RED Bricks? Is there any where the camera still displays the amount of charge remaining?

I have the SIM top handle and toe plate. The top handle has an EVF holder, and also a place to screw in and mount the RED battery plate on the back. This V-Mount I would like to split into two v-Mounts. And I also plan to use the UGrip to mount my drive.

I have SIM Breakout Box and Element Technica 2060 dovetail with 12 and 18 inch rods.

how does the UGrip handheld attach to the camera?
 
Also, that Cartoni focus isn't rated at anything near a standard RED setup I believe. People have reported not being able to get smooth pans etc. Plus you dont want $30,000 on that head when it decides it can't counterbalance it anymore. :/
 
Mick van Rossum said:
Modified battery plates to change batteries without rebooting
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skipdivils said:
What do you guys find the best solution for a double-battery hot swap pack for use with the RED Bricks? Is there any where the camera still displays the amount of charge remaining?
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Hi Mick,
do you use already an solution for this "swap pack" thing... I´m looking for something like this... can you give us any advice? Thanks
 
Burger said:
Hi Mick,
do you use already an solution for this "swap pack" thing... I´m looking for something like this... can you give us any advice? Thanks
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The secret of this, and made by an audio company here in holland (http://www.noyzboyz.nl/) is that they take out the special magnet which is in the Red battery plates that will dispay the info on the battery. They than take a better and bigger battery plate (Hawkwoods) and combine this with a regulator and a special plug which will take over power when another powersource is connected. You then take another batteryplate or powersource with a full battery attached, connect it, take of the empty battery, drop in the new one, and disconnect the "switch" batteryplate. Voila, the whole day shooting without rebooting.....
 
Bob Gruen said:
I have a Cartoni Focus tripod and I'm one of the first 50 to get the Redrock Mattebox. The Birger Mount is a follow focus solution so that's covered. I will be doing abit of handheld I'm sure so a few CF cards sounds appropriate.

What are the charge vs useage rates on the batteries? My current HVX battery solution charges in 1 hour and is good for three. Do you have six batteries to get through an entire shooting day?

Bob
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For a whole day of shooting, and location switches, 5 to 7 batteries will do fine, less will work in most circumstances, however I do advice not to safe to much on batteries.
Handheld is a pain with the red, I can only keep up a whole day handheld with an Eazyrig. Compare it to an arricam Lite, weight and balance wise.
 
CF cards are a must. You have to get the CF module anyway.

Lens - are you going to be renting only?

Spare cables!
Batteries - everyone's correct, at least two power packs.

Plus, you WILL need a matte box, filters, follow focus, really good head and sticks.

RED Quickplate. I highly recommend it. It's rugged, light and keeps the battery off of you.
 
batteries

batteries

Mick van Rossum said:
The secret of this, and made by an audio company here in holland (http://www.noyzboyz.nl/) is that they take out the special magnet which is in the Red battery plates that will dispay the info on the battery.
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Thanks for your hint… will check this Holland connection…

What is your choice concerning batteries? How are you satisfied with the RED bricks ? Since I’m in Europe too, do you agree that is makes sense to go for batteries which to can buy in Europe in order to get better support. If a RED brick breaks down I would have to send it all the way back to the US to get support, right?
 
Hawkwoods are pretty good - we have NP1-based gear (location sound recording) with lots of made-to-order cables, connectors, holders and regulators...

They make a range of adaptors and regulators that'll let you charge batteries from your car (or most-likely van/land-rover). Their multi-chem chargers can be used on location and can be adapted to charge a big range of battery types, which is helpful if you're using a myriad range of gear.

If I'm correct, the RED charger has a 22-volt input, which Hawkwoods can easily make a car adaptor for.

Something else to add to the parts list. ;D
 
I just use a spare Battery plate to Hot swap with the D-tap connection on the side. Instead of trying to mount more stuff on the camera....
 
If any of you are wondering, the Battery read-out is easier to accomplish than you might think... It has nothing to do with Plate... Brand etc... If you have taken the Red Battery Plate apart you'll notice a Magnet below the V-lock. This Magnet turns the sensor on inside the camera.


Just saw it mentioned earlier...
 
x86box said:
If any of you are wondering, the Battery read-out is easier to accomplish than you might think... It has nothing to do with Plate... Brand etc... If you have taken the Red Battery Plate apart you'll notice a Magnet below the V-lock. This Magnet turns the sensor on inside the camera.


Just saw it mentioned earlier...
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Hi,

Yes it's a switch!

Stephen
 
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