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This from Panavision UK yesterday:

"It is a sackable offense for any Panavision staff to send out lenses to a company using the red camera".

I knew there was a reason I always rent from Arri :watsup:
 
Stephen Webb said:
This from Panavision UK yesterday:

"It is a sackable offense for any Panavision staff to send out lenses to a company using the red camera".
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if im not wrong, they announced this beginning of this year rite?
 
Where's the source for this quote? No one should be putting up quotes without the source or proof, especially ones like this.
 
It's been known for a while that Panavision have had a policy of not helping out productions shooting Red, and a few people who have tried to rent kit have been knocked back (and a few have been sneakily successful).

This is the first time I've had it confirmed in print though. A technician at one of the UK Panavision sites passed the above quote along following a request to rent a set of lenses for an upcoming shoot that I am providing the camera for.

Having checked around I'm led to believe that it is a direct extract from an internal comms that was sent to all Panavision staff. And no, I'm not about to give you all the name of the individual who forwarded the info (who I'm sure would like to keep his job). That said, I don't think Panavision are being particularly secretive about it so perhaps they don't mind.
 
Hmm.. I talked to a guy at Panavision and they have reds on order.

They have more lenses than cameras.. so makes sense with all the reds out there to rent out lenses to Red folks.. if they fit.. why not?

So thats 2 versions now. and mine was in person...

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flameop said:
Hmm.. I talked to a guy at Panavision and they have reds on order.

They have more lenses than cameras.. so makes sense with all the reds out there to rent out lenses to Red folks.. if they fit.. why not?

So thats 2 versions now. and mine was in person...

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Chrissake, how many times do we need to say this: In any normal camera rental package, the camera's cost component usually only makes up a small part of the hire fee. Most of the expense is in all the other bits and pieces (including lenses and lens controllers), heads and legs, cables, batteries etc etc.

So if the market suddenly became flooded with REDs, Panavision could still make plenty of money hiring lenses and accessories. Also remember that for a large percentage of their customers, the rental catalog is only a starting point, bigger and regular customers get pretty good discounts most of the time. Which I'd bet dimes to donuts wouldn't be on offer for rentals with a substantial non-PV component:tongue:

Nobody I know at Panavision has ever heard anything about this. If there's any truth to this, it's probably a localized management decision.
 
Stephen Webb said:
It's been known for a while that Panavision have had a policy of not helping out productions shooting Red, and a few people who have tried to rent kit have been knocked back (and a few have been sneakily successful).
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100% Nonsense.

I can rent anything I want from Panavision New York, assuming it is in available.
 
Offhollywood said:
100% Nonsense.
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I'm sorry Mark but I find your implication here somewhat offensive.

For the avoidance of doubt, I have just spoken to the hire desk at Panavision in Greenford and have been told categorically that Panavision will not rent to any production shooting on the Red One.

I was told it is Panavision policy and has been communicated to all their offices. If you read the original excerpt I posted it clearly comes from the States so is not a UK-only thing - if New York are happy to rent to you, I can only assume it's because of the relationship you have with them.
 
Stephen Webb said:
I'm sorry Mark but I find your implication here somewhat offensive.

For the avoidance of doubt, I have just spoken to the hire desk at Panavision in Greenford and have been told categorically that Panavision will not rent to any production shooting on the Red One.

I was told it is Panavision policy and has been communicated to all their offices. If you read the original excerpt I posted it clearly comes from the States so is not a UK-only thing - if New York are happy to rent to you, I can only assume it's because of the relationship you have with them.
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Well ... Stephen, I did not mean to offend you. BUT I am ... SHOCKED.

I will look into this further because I DO NOT BELIEVE IT IS A COMPANY POLICY COMMUNICATED TO ALL THEIR OFFICES.

I can not believe that they would be that stupid.
 
'Non sense' doesn't necessarily mean to kill the messenger -- i.e. do not credit the medium of non sense content.

I said "non sense"? Well, I wouldn't say so much... :)
 
Hiya Mark,

Sorry, may have over-reacted to the 100% nonsense thing.

ANYWAY...

To clarify, the nice lady at Panavision I just chatted to confirmed "Yes that's right, we're not allowed to rent to anyone using Red" when pushed she said "We've all been told that". I checked with the Greenford office because they're Head Office for Europe, but my initial information came from Panavision in Glasgow.

The reason I believe that the original communication came from the States is cause us English people can spell :tongue: (i.e. "Offence" rather than the American version "Offense").

And yes, I'm shocked too!
 
Not so shocked though... :)
 
Stephen Webb said:
And yes, I'm shocked too!
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I think someone must have stole someone else's girl in college and that's the real reason behind this. 'Cause other than that it's pretty shortsighted. Wait a second, these guys didn't used to run a Vinyl Record manufacturing plant, did they?
 
This is crazy, I am going to call today...not because I dont believe you guys, I think REDusers should be heard on this subject, correct me if I am wrong but is there not legal issues involved here?
 
I'd wait a bit and see what Mark comes back with, rather than everyone flooding Panavision with ill-advised calls of protest!

I find it really surprising that Panavision are making this stand as a large majority of their camera catalogue is made up of 3rd party cameras (Arri's mostly, also Aaton, Eyemo, MovieCam) so why they'd have a particular issue with Red is a mystery.
 
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