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hvx200 vs red one

Just my 2 cents, everything depends on what you use it for:

I've shot with my HVX200 on a number of commercial and industrial shoots, as well as my own projects. I never shoot bare with it, the camera looks really harsh to me without a 35mm adapter on it. That means a rails system, external LCD (perhaps flipped, depending on your adapter), follow focus, mattebox, lenses, and battery at least. My rig weighs about what a Red One does, fully loaded, to make pretty pictures. And it cost about $15K all-in (including P2 cards, lenses, hard drive, etc).

And it does make pretty pictures, especially for SD delivery. As long as I don't have to do a lot in post, I'm good.

But when does that happen in real life? Hardly ever, in my case. My clients always want to dig in and create a special look for their project in post. And the HVX just does not hold up like Red in post.

For me, having the massive resolution, the ability to sell my 35mm adapters on eBay and never ever use them again (God, I hate having to use 35mm adapters!), pull keys with just a click or two (I do a lot of greenscreen), and having a system that doesn't feel like a homemade kludged together monster really pushed me to buy a Red. That, plus my client work supports it.

That said, if my first camera were a Red One I may have been overwhelmed. Or challenged in a good way :).
 
hum.. if i was hesitating between the hvx200 and the RED I'd get the EX1..
Ive had a hvx200 and now i have a RED and i think EX1 is fairly in the middle.. It has AMAZING resolution for a prosumer..
 
sorry. has to be done.

red vs. hvx = photoshop vs. ms paint
 
I've seen still footage online of all 3 cams, but in particular a bunch of the same (almost) shots from Pannys HVX200 vs Sony's EX-1.

The resolution was so crystal clean (higher resolution) and the Panny the colors were a little warmer, but fuzzy...a xmas tree shot you could see every detail on those (what do you call it) pine leaves...the Panny it just did not have the resolution. Quite a difference....with a tad of tinkering in post you could warm up the Sony colors...by the way the white on the Sony was much whiter and more yellow on the Panny...not sure which was more accurate of what the color actually was.

Anyway, I too am (next year) going to make a giant leap for me. Going from Sony's Z1u (like FX1) to either a RED ONE, Scarlet, or EX-1/3...or maybe 1 of each!

I too have resources...and am a hobbiest with tons of time to learn and no pressure to get material finished or right the first time. So I may be better off starting at the top and learning.

My question is this:

How would I find someone who is a pro with the RED from both the shooting aspect and editing aspect that would spend say a day with me hiking and shooting wildlife with the RED and diffferent lenses and then the next day in post playing with all the images...another day with me at a rock concert and the next post again.

I would pay good money for these 2 day things...say twice a month for 3 months...I figure after going out with a pro for 3 months shooting and in post I could handle it on my own then?

Anyone know what I would pay for a pro like this to get em for 2 days at a time, say twice a month?

And do you think that would give me the skill to handle the RED in lots of different situations on my own thereafter and with self experience be good at it like a pro within a year?
 
I have both systems and they are each great at what they do. I would never want to replace one with the other because they offer completely different styles and production values for a given show. The HVX is lightweight, easy to travel with produces very cinematic (More so than the EX1 IMHO) images but is really a 720P camcorder. My HVX kit cost about $15K with the very nice and expensive Pany 8.4" HD field monitor, it rents for $350ish a day and works great for TV shows, web content and industrials. On the other hand my Red package cost close to $80K! Once I bought a Zeiss Prime set, 10:1 zoom and proper support and computer hardware. That package rents well in excess of $1000 a day and is meant to be a replacement for a 35mm film camera or possibly F900/23 on music video, commercials and films that are ready for the Red experience.

Please do not think that the Red One system is in the same price category as an HVX. A solid kit with NO glass, AKS or support will be $30K.
Even if you just purchase an 18-50+50-150 Red Zooms and a set of basic pro sticks and head you will be in $50K territory. Add a Macbook Pro, mid level follow focus and Mattebox plus a filter set and you're now at $60K.
But guess what, you'll be looking at all this stuf and asking yourself...
"Hmmm, If I'm gonna spend this much I'd better get the good stuff..."
Trust me, it's a never ending journey, but for those of us that have been able to make it work for us we're ecstatic!
It truly is a revolution. Before Red even $80K wouldn't have gotten me an F900 body!
 
A.R KAIN47 said:
ive heard quite a few different opinions on this subject but i just wanted to get a detailed description on which is better and why before i purchase!
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It's a bit like trying to compare Super 16mm to 35mm (or even Super 8mm to 35mm) - just look at the comparison below to see the difference (720p for the HVX200 and 4K for the Red):
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Obviously it should go without saying that formats with higher resolution, greater colour space, superior compression codecs, greater choice of frame rates etc, are superior to lower ones - I think if you simply watched footage you can freely download on the internet it'll be immediately obvious what a difference there is between the two cameras, but it's not till you see both on a big screen that you realize how superior the Red is compared to the HVX 200 - it's really a non-contest...a bit like putting Mike Tyson in the ring with Winona Ryder.

Having said all that it all depends on what you want to do with your camera - if you just want a cheap, small, lightweight, run-&-gun camera for doccos where you don't need maximum image quality and where you can deliver your client a simple, widely-accessible tape at the end of the day then maybe the HVX 200 is the camera for you. If this is your ball-park and you're also on a tight budget the Red camera might be like using a solid gold anvil to crack a tiny nut :wink:
 
Stoopercraft said:
If you're looking for a camera that creates good images and has a lot of bang for your buck, HVX. You'll spend more time trying to make your Red One work than it's worth. Check this thread out, http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?p=220571#post220571 and this is with the latest Build too. They finally gave us one of the most important features we've been asking for... kinda, sorta... okay not really.

If you want a camera that just works and does not require ANY tinkering to squeeze an image out of it go with the HVX or the HPX500. I like cameras that actually work, sorry I'm weird like that.
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lol hahahaha 'actually work'
So cute he says it like he thinks his right.

Nice one:biggrin:
 
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