Are you still open to suggestions thread?

[Wayne Morellini]

I understand that Scarlet is open to improvement and would like to make some suggestions? If anybody else would also like to make suggestions please feel free.


I would prefer a bigger sensor/aperture.

I would prefer something at least as big as a 4/3rds sensor, with an aperture much wider than 1.8.

4/3rds lens technology was made to be a good compromise for sensor size and depth or field. I understand sensor micro-lens arrays don't like fast lens, because they can't handle the angle of light properly, even though JVC made a 1.2 aperture consumer camera years ago. But I understand that 4/3rds lens technology is designed to straighten this light so it hits the lens array more head on. So, would it be possible to make a very fast lens with it (closer to 1.0) Jim?


4K sensor.

3K is good enough for me, but 720p, 1080 and 2K does not divide evenly into it, without big windowing or interpolation. I still need to find a big cheap 4K screen to use it anyway. With a fixed four thirds lens it would be better for stills use as well. Would it be possible to go for this


Included portable rig, LCD and software.

Don't know what you guys are planning there.


A bit of a subtle change to the style.

That's about it, great camera, seems to be the only camera on offer that suites me. Hope to get hands on one for testing, let us know show dates in Australia.

 

[hunterrichards]

Why is Good never good enough?

 

[Milan Nikolic]

If I am not asking for to much, I would like to have in Scarlet an auto focussing system aiming for the human face (some photo cameras has it) as well as all other auto
functions as a choice along all manuall.

 

[ArthurG]

So you want a Red One for 3K$...

 

[James T Mather]

for christs sake...buy a red one.

 

[Max Link]

So you want a Red One for 3K$...

This standard "killer" line won't apply here. He's not asking for pro I/Os, external drive support, a full-size sensor (4/3 is still way smaller than S35) or a bayonet lens mount, he's perfectly happy with the small, all-in-one-package style of the Scarlet and even asks for more integrated features, which gets him further away from the concept of One - So, since some of those feature requests are actually quite interesting (IMO), let's try not to make this another shouting thread this early on, okay?

A bit of a subtle change to the style.

Are you talking about the camera body? Not quite sure what you mean...

About 4k vs. 3k resolution: Could someaone explain this to me? I've come across this complaint (nd the one that 3k "isn't even a format") a few times allready and can't help wondering...
3k res is 3072 across, 4k 4096, right? Getting a HD or 2k video out of one of these streams would mean either cropping the recorded frame, in which case the crop you should be able to adjust the framing within that small margin you'd need to ensure that it gets pulled down evenly, without any interpolation, or it means pulling down the HD/2k video from the full frame size. In that case, 4k only translates smoothly to 2k, even here, 1080p or 720p output would mean interlacing, wouldn't it? 4k/1920=2,133...

 

[Christoffer Glans]

I still need to find a big cheap 4K screen to use it anyway

A 3K camera is for a 2K finish. Epic 5K is for a 4K finish.
You shoot at higher resolution and downscale it. Just watch a DVD made from a 35mm film compared to something shot on SD.

 

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

Maybe we should stop this already.

Yes, interchangeable lenses would be great, but nevertheless...

Scarlet sounds amazing as it is.

For anything more, one should really consider a RED One.

 

[wardovision]

I understand that Scarlet is open to improvement and would like to make some suggestions? If anybody else would also like to make suggestions please feel free.


I would prefer a bigger sensor/aperture.

I would prefer something at least as big as a 4/3rds sensor, with an aperture much wider than 1.8.


4K sensor.

Included portable rig, LCD and software.
"
Don't know what you guys are planning there.


A bit of a subtle change to the style.

That's about it,

"...that's about it. All I want is you to completely redesign every aspect of the camera and keep it at the same price and delivery schedule, that's all"

What you're proposing is an entirely new camera and not just a few "improvements". (new sensor+new lens+different form factor= something other than Scarlet)

 

[Noah Kadner]

You want a RED One at a Scarlet price- um no.... :ranting2: You don't get a 911 for the price of a Hyundai either.

Noah

 

[Christoffer Glans]

I want an Epic for the price of Scarlet, Red One for the Price of Scarlet minus Epic, Scarlet for the price of a Red One minus an Epic and Red Ray cost...

or something like that...

 

[Noah Kadner]

Well you could always try and just steal one- then you get an Epic for the price of a little jail time...

Noah

 

[Christoffer Glans]

If I steal yours, maybe I could rent them back to you and give you a little cut on the money?

 

[Noah Kadner]

If I steal yours, maybe I could rent them back to you and give you a little cut on the money?

That's going to be hard with this thread as evidence. Try pm'ing another owner.

Noah

 

[Christoffer Glans]

Darn, the confession was a major blowback to my plan... didn't thought about that.

ok... I'm not gonna steal your Reds... *Jedi-wave*

 

[John Caballero]

Red and co. doesn’t want any more suggestions. They just want you to start saving your pennies so next year you can have the Scarlet as they decided to make it. Thank you very much…

 

[killfilm]

but then again, we do have the choice to buy something else, therefore, if scarlet dont satisfy you then go for something else but of course for twice the price and half the res.

 

[John Caballero]

You go it killfilm!

 

[Wayne Morellini]

My goodness, this thread is negative, not full of truth either.

But putting that aside for the moment:

2K or 720p does not divide evenly into 3K, that is life. You have to have a minimum of one whole sensor pixel always inside the recorded pixel to get maximum resolution. 3K pixels will result in some recorded pixels being made up of two pixels causing interpolation loss of resolution for that pixel. I am happy to keep the 3K, but 4K is the best fit for all the HD+2K resolutions. For cinema work it is a no brainer, it is only a consideration for HDTV work.

As said, Red one is still far out ahead, they will be moving towards 8K, Scarlet does not need to go beyond 4K (maybe in 10-15 years time). Any descent professional cinematographer will easily identify the Red One as worth the money over the scarlet, you get that much better work out of it on a feature.

I agree with the auto functions, helpful for the field.

The camera does not require a massive costly total redesign. Changing the body is a relatively small job (yes, a little different styling) compared to the rest. The bigger sensor with 4K (note not necessary, but nice) is the most expensive thing but most of the design work would transfer across from the 3K and 5K sensor anyway. Most of the other work on the camera itself before NAB 2008, was probably preliminary, or pre-existing, with much of the cost and prototyping happening over this year.

Pricing, most people have little idea of pricing. We have mass market 8 mpixel cameras below $500. This is the Hyundai, not the Scarlet. It is not quality that necessarily pushes up the price, but the volume shipped in and the mass volume parts it can share. The $500 camera would probably cost $1500 if it used low volume parts. In the end, the extra features will probably cost less than you think.

Still, as this is only a suggested possible improvement that is not necessary, why get so hung up about it?

The 4/3rds lens should be commonly understood these days, and while you can design it on a computer, you could probably find designs out there ready made. Originally I had hoped they would give a lens mount, but as long as the lens is good and fast, it is not necessary.

SD-DVD, or 35mm-DVD, it is usually not the resolution that makes the difference. If you had a SD resolution sensor to match the DVD resolution with the same fill-factor and spectral performance as the 35mm film, you would be hard pressed to tell the difference. Most SD cameras ever made have been made with sensors that don't match the spectral performance of the range of good 35mm film.

Why is Good never good enough?

Because we are not perfect.

This standard "killer" line won't apply here. He's not asking for pro I/Os, external drive support, a full-size sensor (4/3 is still way smaller than S35) or a bayonet lens mount, he's perfectly happy with the small, all-in-one-package style of the Scarlet and even asks for more integrated features, which gets him further away from the concept of One - So, since some of those feature requests are actually quite interesting (IMO), let's try not to make this another shouting thread this early on, okay?

Amen, end of argument!