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I'm liking the JVC DT-V24L1DU monitor, but is it really worth spending the extra 1500 bucks for the hd-sdi input when you can get the same monitor with dvi-d (JVC DT-V24L1U). If I am using a blackmagic hdlink pro to monitor in high def, is there really any advantage in spending the extra money.....(I've heard the input is the only difference in the displays.) Can you monitor 2k in one and not the other????
 
What are you monitoring? If you are monitoring a 1080 source that has a HD-SDI output then spend the money for the proper monitor, if you already have the Blackmagic then you might consider the cheaper monitor...but for $1500 you gain several additional inputs which are worth the cost.
both are 1080 monitors not 2k.
 
I would be monitoring 1080p projects out of FCP. I know it is not 2k, but kona (and I believe blackmagic) offers a cropped 2k output for monitoring 2k on a 1080p monitor) I'd like to keep that option open. would there be a difference in signal capabilities with the hd-sdi over the dvi-d, if you were monitoring, say prores HQ in 1080p?
 
I always go for true HD-SDI monitoring...whether you can see the difference or not on a 24" monitor, much less a inexpensive 24" lcd is debatable...but personally I would go with HD-SDI. Using dvi in a professional environment is not a good idea.
 
In my opinion any monitor under 10K is not worth for finishing. Now, If you guys are talking about just a viewing monitor then the JVC, Panasonic or even Sony Luma is ok.
 
timecodemultimedia said:
In my opinion any monitor under 10K is not worth for finishing. Now, If you guys are talking about just a viewing monitor then the JVC, Panasonic or even Sony Luma is ok.
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Dont waste your time, I have been trying to explain this but to no avail...looks like the average budget here for monitors is $3k. There is another thread where the someone suggested a $2,500 plasma as a grading monitor because it had an option to add HD-SDI in...go figure.
 
Doc, who are you delivering for?

If you need to make a master on a VTR then you probably want HD-SDI to monitor off the deck directly. Having a HDLink in between might introduce distortions that aren't on your master (though I don't have any experience with the HDLink so I can't say)... and then you'll be scratching your head trying to figure that out.

If you're burning bluray discs then you probably don't need it and you'd be better served monitoring via HDMI directly.

So what are your needs?
 
GlennChan said:
Doc, who are you delivering for?

If you need to make a master on a VTR then you probably want HD-SDI to monitor off the deck directly. Having a HDLink in between might introduce distortions that aren't on your master (though I don't have any experience with the HDLink so I can't say)... and then you'll be scratching your head trying to figure that out.

If you're burning bluray discs then you probably don't need it and you'd be better served monitoring via HDMI directly.

So what are your needs?
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Good point about the deck. I actually deliver 90 percent of what I do digitally. (I deliver a half hour Cable show by flash stick, and a backup on Beta SP). I have done no professional HD. I'd like to, however, and although I would prefer to deliver files, I guess I'd probably have to rent an HDCAM deck at some point.

About the 10,000 dollar monitor. I agree with you guys, but just can't justify the expense. I am not a pro colorist, nor will there be one in my studio in the foreseeable future. I'm sure alot of people on this forum are in the same situation. Sure we will have a handicap, but in lower budget TV and no budget Film, we are accustomed to handicaps.
 
Regarding whether you need a $10k monitor, my opinion is that you'd be fine with the JVC. You can probably pass a broadcaster's QC with it (though you still need everything else, like real scopes).

The JVC with the 1000:1 contrast ratio is one of the higher contrast ratios you can get in a LCD (Barco = 800:1 minimum, Sony BVM-L = 500:1). It's still not a perfect black but you can light your surround bright and it's much less of an issue. People watch TV with their lights on anyways, so it's not a huge deal. (Post houses are inconsistent about surround illumination anyways, where I live anyways.)


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A similar comparison was also held at Burbank’s Band Pro Film & Digital. Curren and his colleagues who attended these comparisons drew the following conclusion: the eCinema DPX monitor — which isn’t cheap, coming in at $37,995 for the 24-inch and $59,995 for the 40-inch — handled black the best.“The rest of them aren’t all that different, so you might as well buy one at four grand. I’d settle for the JVC at four grand,” he notes.
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http://www.postmagazine.com/ME2/dir...d=&tier=4&id=49CF24BB6C104A70BA75B7D298974D4C
 
Sony Bravia XBR claims to have an 18000 to 1 contrast ratio. It is no pro monitor but is 10 bit 1080p. Would this give the JVC a run for it's money for good budget monitoring?
 
Doc Holliday said:
Sony Bravia XBR claims to have an 18000 to 1 contrast ratio. It is no pro monitor but is 10 bit 1080p. Would this give the JVC a run for it's money for good budget monitoring?
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Whenever you see a contrast number that high, it's almost always "dynamic contrast", achieved by dimming or brightening the backlight based on scene content. This doesn't do anything useful when grading. Quite the opposite, in fact. If you're stuck grading on a consumer panel, make sure that if it has this feature, you turn it off. In fact, this is one of a fairly long and growing list of image enhancement features on consumer panels that will cause problems for grading.
 
Chris Kenny said:
Whenever you see a contrast number that high, it's almost always "dynamic contrast", achieved by dimming or brightening the backlight based on scene content. This doesn't do anything useful when grading. Quite the opposite, in fact. If you're stuck grading on a consumer panel, make sure that if it has this feature, you turn it off. In fact, this is one of a fairly long and growing list of image enhancement features on consumer panels that will cause problems for grading.
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Thanks. It's funny -- on the Sony site they actually have a description of dynamic vs static contrast ratio, but they don't go on to say if that 18000 is dynamic or static. Sneaky.
 
One point that everyone's skirting around needs to be made directly- consumer monitors are designed, possibly unsuccesfully, to make everything look good. Pro monitors are supposed to tell it like it is. Don't use consumer monitors for grading. The jvc is great for the price, but not good off axis, like when there is a client in the room. Honestly, there really aren't any great monitors right now at any price. The technology to replace glass (environmentally unsound) is still in its infant... Might as well settle on the jvc for now and wait a few years to see what develops.
 
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