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Future of RedCine??

Shawn Nelson

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Red, please reassure me :-).

We haven't had a new version of RedCine since February. What are plans for progressing this software? I keep hoping for bug fixes and more features. But some have suggested there won't be any new features for various reasons of making sure RedCine stays significantly behind another product that was developed by same said developers.

So, can you disavow those rumors and say there's another big release of RedCine coming?

If you can't, can Jim please seriously consider releasing RedCine to the open source community upon completion of the R3D SDK? Generally I am against open source (yes, even as a developer myself) because I realize that money must be made. But, Redcine simply fuels Red sales and isn't a product itself. Thus, it could benefit PHENOMENALLY from releasing it out, which would in turn benefit Red corporately.

Thank you. And to the said developers of Redcine, I mean you no ill, it's just seeming obvious there is no reason for you to really make Redcine more than it is, but I would love, love, love to be proven wrong about that.
 
Shawn Nelson said:
Generally I am against open source (yes, even as a developer myself) because I realize that money must be made.
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I don't think you understand how open source works. If there's no money to be made in OSS, then how is RedHat worth four billion dollars and Novell worth two (based on market cap.)? And then there's MySQL, an open source company that was just bought for one billion dollars by Sun. I could go on...

In fact, it's said that the bulk of open source software and free software (there's a difference) is written by developers employed to write it...
 
I agree. With over 1500 cameras out there it is hard to understand that the main software solution to handle the footage is still in beta.
 
I would just like to transcode footage in large batches and not come back to a bunch of clips that are all a freeze frame.
 
I thought I read somewhere around here that REDCINE / RED Alert, etc.. would receive updates with Build 16....???
 
Shawn, Didn't Jim say they are rewriting the whole thing, and the SDK is an outcome of this process?
 
Crickets?
 
Red Cine is just Scratch micro. Why would Assimilate want to make Redcine great? Redcine is free. If you want a great Assimilate product think Scratch. Considering Redcine is free it is kick ass. Make sure you have no other program or window open when you render out of Redcine as it is a memory hog and will render out a whole clip of just the first frame if it runs out of memory. Cineform is an amazing solution to this whole offline conform model that has so many of us pulling our hair out. I can't wait for the SDK so I can edit 4K raw in real time color correcting with 3D LUT's.
 
Mark Crabtree said:
Red Cine is just Scratch micro. Why would Assimilate want to make Redcine great? Redcine is free. If you want a great Assimilate product think Scratch. Considering Redcine is free it is kick ass. Make sure you have no other program or window open when you render out of Redcine as it is a memory hog and will render out a whole clip of just the first frame if it runs out of memory. Cineform is an amazing solution to this whole offline conform model that has so many of us pulling our hair out. I can't wait for the SDK so I can edit 4K raw in real time color correcting with 3D LUT's.
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If that's the case, then we need to go an entirely different direction so that we get a stable, fast and free/affordable Mac and PC compatible solution for dealing with r3d files. I myself need it sooner than later. And for me, I don't need a grading solution, so all those wonderful Scratch-like grading options are not helping if the plan is not to improve the stability and performance. Just something that gives me pictures with audio in various formats will be a great relief.
 
Why do you feel these things should be free? Prospect 4k from Cineform is just two grand. Scratch Cine is more than thirty grand. This Red One is not a DV camera. It demands an investment in post tools that will not be free.
 
Mark Crabtree said:
Why do you feel these things should be free? Prospect 4k from Cineform is just two grand. Scratch Cine is more than thirty grand. This Red One is not a DV camera. It demands an investment in post tools that will not be free.
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Only because that was always purported to be Red's plan.

And it makes sense to offer SOME way to work with the footage when the camera is new, because no one else will be able to deal with r3d files utnil they've had some time to develop and catch up to Red. And so until then, if you bought a camera, it made sense to offer something that allowed you to actually use the footage. No other solution was available.

RedCine was originally supposed to be that solution, and so far it has offered more than anyone bargained for (real time color correction, etc.)...but so far, it's also somewhat less than anyone bargained for too.
 
If you have the time and patience Red Cine works fine, considering it is free. I would not think that improvements to Redcine will not happen, I am just assuming they will be small and incremental. For my companies need for speed Redcine is just too slow. That's why we are going Cineform. Cineform has a media converter that will convert R3D files to Cineform Intermediate, a raw slightly larger file that retains all the fidelity of the original in a form that can debayer in real time on a final cut or premiere timeline in real time. The converter tool converts the R3D file to Cineform Intermediate at the astonishingly fast rate of 10 FPS. Once converted you can edit it real time and do color corrections with 3D LUTs in real time. Of course Cineform is not releasing the converter until sometime after the Red SDK is released. I can't wait.
 
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