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Post-production

Given RED's intentions with Scarlet, I say yes. They will make REDCODE even easier to work with. For full RAW functionality you might benefit from a bit more grunt, but I think it will be usable and good on much more 'regular' computers.

I suspect the underlying efficiency of the QT component will get better - better quality pictures with lower processing demands.
 
is using a macbook pro with Matrox MX02 a good idea. you can also take the mac book pro & MX02 out to the field.
 
I had a macbook pro in mind initially, but it's rather expensive and the screensize is to small in my opinion to edit. An 24" imac with 4gb ram with another 21" monitor hooked up I have already would be sweet to edit I guess.
 
or you can buy a 2.8Gz quad-core Mac Pro and add 4GB ram from RAMJET for $199. If you need more processing power to render, i suggest you hook up a Redbox from Pixellexis.
 
Mac Pro's are also to expensive for me. I guess an iMac with it's best configuration will be fine for my needs and if it doesn't work out with Scarlet next year I could sell it. They seem to lose little value.
 
There's what you can do full res, real time, and then there is what you can do with proxies and overnight rendering of the full project.........
 
ColinSmith said:
There's what you can do full res, real time, and then there is what you can do with proxies and overnight rendering of the full project.........
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so the question is, for the scarlet, which workstation that do full res, real time? is mac pro a necessary?
 
Not really my department and no idea of Macs, but.....

First look would be to see how many 1080HD streams the machine can handle in real time and judge from that if it's likely to be enough. The Red workflow is heavier (higher res), but may end up more efficient than that would imply, but that some stage it comes down to the speed of your hard drive setup, and the more video tracks you want to be able to use, the more that stacks up.

Question2 What do you want to do in real time? Edit straight cuts only? Multitrack editing? Effects and compositing? Colour Correction? Different demands for hard drive and CPU speeds for each thing.

Q3, would there be a problem editing in 720 or 1080 in FCP, and then CC in After Effects non-real time and leave it to render the 3k? It would depend on the project, but there are many balances of time vs budget to think about.
 
I've got a PC with Intel Pentium Dual Core 3,4ghz with 4mb cache
3gb of RAM.
Will I be able to edit 3K on that? I know that 1080p runs smooth in AVID but the editing is heavy and slow compared to DV material.

If AVID gets Redcode raw, will I be able to edit it with those specs?
 
Again, how much do you want to be able to handle in real time and what speeds can your harddrive setup sustain. for specifics you'd do better checking out the 4k workflow section, as the one thing I know is that I don't know much ;)

On the P4 though...... I know it'd do OK for 1080p on Premiere with Cineform, but I think that's about as far as is practical for a rock solid system. I'd be thinking in terms of a 720 or 1080 proxy setup to make things easier.

What will be interesting is to see what new software and ties to editing programs Red will come with to make Scarlet easier to handle on mainstream setups.
 
I know that my 24" iMac doesn't handle 4K at all well, so I'm guessing 3K will be just as difficult for it. I would personally suggest a Mac Book Pro and get a good sized monitor. It'll be more usefull than an iMac which you can't take into the field and it'll have more computing power (and an ability to hook up external eSATA RAID drives). Don't skimp, you'll regret it.
 
sky1walker said:
so the question is, for the scarlet, which workstation that do full res, real time? is mac pro a necessary?
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The main issue is the ability to see 3K pixel for pixel. There is no current affordable display that can do that. The best option (for now) is to buy two 30" Cinema Display and hook them up to ATI card VERTICALLY (Nvidia won't let You do that). That gives You 3200 x 2560 pixels...

New Cinema Displays are coming very soon, so the current 30" will drop in price. But You need a Mac Pro to do this.

If new Mac Pro is out of Your reach - You can get used one (from the first generation) bellow the price of new 24" iMac. And they are great even used...

There is one more issue - the color reproduction on the iMacs vs Cinema Displays - if You are thinking to do any "pro" work (color calibration, etc...) You will need the Cinema Display and of course a calibrator...

It all depends on how "pro" You want to be...
 
Yup, Peter is 100% right, that came to me in the end too, there is little point editing in a higher res than you can monitor 1:1, and I would say little to be gained in the inital edit from going above 1080 anyhow.

Post, CC, effects, those need to be at 1:1, but again, not necessarily viewed full screen, and not likely to be full speed play back at full res anyhow.

Lots of workflow issues as you increase the format size and quality, and they all vary depending on the form of the project and the time and money available.
 
open mac is a great idea, however those machines are no where near the speeds you need. I've been doing Hackintosh for two years now, You just cant get it right if you dont build it yourself. Plus they only have two options, 2.2 or 2.6, I'm trying to build an 8-core Xeon to handle the footage. One way or the other Redcine will run on Windows very fast.

Imacs and laptops suck at converting footage, all you can do is watch the Med res Proxie through Mxo... If you want to work in video dont try to get by with an imac.

Imacs have no upgradablity, laptops have some but extremely limited upgrades.

You need Quad at least, there are no Quad laptops or imacs so go for something better that you wont have problems with. By problems I mean having a client waiting weeks for your laptop to finish outputting a 30 minute piece

On my Hackintosh, 3.0ghz core2duo I get the same speeds as a laptop or Imac, I cant work like this... 40 minutes for 1 minute of 4k... So ask yourself if you want one... On 8 core it is 3-6 minutes per 1 minute of 4k...
 
I know that my 24" iMac doesn't handle 4K at all well, so I'm guessing 3K will be just as difficult for it. I would personally suggest a Mac Book Pro and get a good sized monitor.
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But so far the iMac used to have slightly better specs than mac book pros. A revision is immanent.
 
A imac is great for 2k Pro res, anything is... Anything can handle it,

Who is going to do conversions for you? Your iMac wont do it very well...
 
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