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2/3" question

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For Red's to meet their goal for Scarlet it will need to have killer glass.

My hope is that Red to revolutionize everything people have to come expect from fix lens glass. Well see.

But how about the 2/3" sensor? Is that actually s16 sized?
Most pro ENG camcorders have 2/3's chip as they are industry standard.

Will 2/3 be taken seriously in the pro cine market?
 
2/3 Already is taken seriously. What do you think Star Wars was shot on? Or many other mainstream studio releases shot on the Sony F 900/950.. All 2/3 inch.
 
Viper is 2/3", HDW900F is 2/3, and many movies were shoot by 2/3".
Again, you have to have good Glass.

Zeiss DigiPrime was designed specifically for 2/3" by super computer that why so expensive.
Digi-lens has very short history, it's not same as analogue lens specs, high-def-super speed lens development has just began and have 10 years history.
So, still long way to go.
We are in new era now.
 
Reds new optical design for the new lens is all Digital design, hence why the results were killer. Jim quoted that the lens is worth 3 times as much.. So I'd assume that its inline with the Zeiss digiprimes..

I expect no less for scarlett. This time RED has the immense volume to push quality optics at a marketable pricepoint.
 
...I didnt realize star wars was shot with a f900 - I assumed it was a Genesis (which I THINK has a 35mm sized sensor).

I have little experience with 2/3 - can reasonable DoF, and filmic latitude be achieved? I guess with the f900 using it the answer is yes.

The main concern is the glass. Everything I've heard from Red ("professional", "will be used on a feature film" 'Rock-star glass" ) point to the fact that they will try to emulate top shelf glass.

I have to admit that this sounds like a tall order at 3,000, but the Red One was a tall (and executed) order.

SP
 
spaulgal said:
I have little experience with 2/3 - can reasonable DoF, and filmic latitude be achieved? I guess with the f900 using it the answer is yes.

SP
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Hi,

Wide open digi primes would be about T4 on 35mm DOF wise. With a 2.8 lens that is about 5.6/8 on 35mm which is getting into the deep focus realm.

Stephen
 
spaulgal said:
...I didnt realize star wars was shot with a f900 - I assumed it was a Genesis (which I THINK has a 35mm sized sensor).

I have little experience with 2/3 - can reasonable DoF, and filmic latitude be achieved? I guess with the f900 using it the answer is yes.
SP
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"Attack of the Clones" was shot with an F900 and "Revenge of the Sith" was shot with a F950. Both 2/3" cameras.

Regarding depth of field, basically at the same f-stop, you have 2.5 stops more depth of field with 2/3" over 35mm once you match FOV and distance, so shooting at f/2.8 on the Scarlet would be like shooting at f/5.6-8 split on the RED ONE in 4K mode.
 
The big improvement that could be gained in resolution on wide angle focal lengths will come from not needing a prism.

However, Canon and Fujinon have spent 20 years ans multi millions making their wide angle lenses as compact as possible, yet the lens on Scarlet looks considerably smaller than currrent 11x 2/3 inch offerings (even if you allow for no doubler)



Mike Brennan
 
Man oh man. This is a $3k cinema camera. It's for people who's budget is in line with that. $3k is less than you can rent most "serious" cameras for the duration of a film.

the 2/3" sensor only needs to be taken "as seriously."

I think Scarlet isn't targeted for the person who wants "everything."

It's for the person who wants to make an amazing film and tell an amazing story with as few limitations as possible.
 
There will be a whole lot of Blogging.. and a whole lot of waiting on this thread.


Don't get crazy out there. Lets get Red One completed first... ok?

At least we can say this: Speculation is fun. Change is definite.
 
I am sure Red will take good care of Scarlets’ lens. It will be part of their product line and their reputation is at stake. At the moment I am testing a DOF adapter from Adorama in New York called the Pro-Optic 645 D.O.F. It uses Mamiya medium format lenses. I am using it with the HVX 200 and the latest tests are fantastic. Only thing I don’t like is the flipped image. On Monday I am ordering the flip module from Letus and see if it will work. With the Scarlet it looks that I would be able to flip the camera itself, mount it on rails and attach the adapter with no problem. And if the camera has a feature to flip the image on the viewfinder that would clinch the deal.
The adapters’ creator, Winston Vargas who works at Adorama, just finished shooting a music video with it on the HV20 and he tells me it looks terrific. For those interested in checking out this product you can go to You Tube and search for “HV20 on steroids part 2”.
The advantage I see with this adapter is the use of medium format photography lenses. Also the ground glass on this thing is 2 ¼ X 1 5/8 inches.
Eventually I want to get a Hasselblad to Mamiya mount ring and experiment with the Hasselblad lenses. The images medium format lenses produce should go nicely with the 3K output from Scarlet.
 
I hope it's sharp wide open. I'd love it to be faster, but I was thinking (in another thread) this may increase the size of the glass too much for the body. Any word on how wide the lens will be?
 
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