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How does one handle "Scarlet" footage?

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The main thing that sits in my mind about Scarlet is workflow. How powerful of a computer does one need to handle 3k? Does one need a special RED software in order to edit the footage? or would it be possible to editng in NLE's like Sony Vegas, Adobe After effects? If you don't know feel free to speculate, Thanks
 
Same way things are done now with Red Code raw. However Apple anounced that color will now be able to handle r3d files now if only it could handle 3k resolution.

So tools will be

Red alert
Red Cine
Crimson (will be popular for Scarlet as most people who are using scarlet will not be buying Scratch)
FCP
Colour
Other 3 party apps not out yet I know there are a few more in the works
 
aidenvfx said:
Same way things are done now with Red Code raw. However Apple anounced that color will now be able to handle r3d files now if only it could handle 3k resolution.

So tools will be

Red alert
Red Cine
Crimson (will be popular for Scarlet as most people who are using scarlet will not be buying Scratch)
FCP
Colour
Other 3 party apps not out yet I know there are a few more in the works
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Well me being a noob, I would not know this. thank you

So does this mean I have to buy a Mac? If so thats just ridiculous.
 
aidenvfx said:
Same way things are done now with Red Code raw. However Apple anounced that color will now be able to handle r3d files now if only it could handle 3k resolution.

So tools will be

Red alert
Red Cine
Crimson (will be popular for Scarlet as most people who are using scarlet will not be buying Scratch)
FCP
Colour
Other 3 party apps not out yet I know there are a few more in the works
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Also, by then, we will also have the cc Red has made to make Red Ray.
 
Rican, I hope you accept that you need to buy a new computer to do this, just because you'll need more power.

Apple is extremely price competitive with Dell and other PC-class companies in this market, and if you insist on running Windows there are a bunch of ways to do it.

So I don't think you should be too upset about feeling you need an Apple. They do make great machines; you might find yourself enjoying them despite yourself :-).

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You don't have to buy a Mac, but workflows depend to some degree on the computer and applications you have. The 4k workflow forum has a lot on that ;)
 
You do not need a mac you can work fine on a pc. More and more tools are coming out for the pc everyday.

Regardless of which way you want to go you will need some major hardware.

You can go with Adobe premier or Apple FCP.

You will want to have a fast machine and probably at some point get set up with a raid 5 system which are coming down in price.

Check out the 4k work flow and alternate work flow threads on the forum and start reading. There is lots to learn.

Also if you are interested FXPHD.com offers 2 red courses that will teach you lots about the camera and work flow.
 
David Dennis said:
Apple is extremely price competitive with Dell and other PC-class companies in this market, and if you insist on running Windows there are a bunch of ways to do it.
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Agreed. With their highend workstations they are (in my experience) cheaper than Dell, Boxx and HP and a few others. Just don't buy the memory from Apple. An added bonus to this is that you can also run windows or linux or whatever you want on the same machine. Dual or Triple boot it to your hearts content.

I understand this type of computer isn't cheap but if you are even considering a 3k camera, then you MUST consider a 3k post workflow. You can't have one without the other imo.

Seriously... go spec out a comparable non-Apple computer with close to the same specs and do a little price cross comparing. I think you'll see the light at the end of the tunnel.

To answer the original question however, workflow will be the same as the Red One.
 
I am sorry, but I don't want to move to a Mac. I like Sony Vegas just fine on a PC. If Red can't create tools/codecs that work on Windows via DirectShow or something (so most NLEs can take advantage of their codec), then the Scarlet is not something I can consider.

I have money to spend for a Mac if I wanted to. I just don't want to move to a Mac. I don't like FCP.
 
Eugenia said:
I am sorry, but I don't want to move to a Mac. I like Sony Vegas just fine on a PC. If Red can't create tools/codecs that work on Windows via DirectShow or something (so most NLEs can take advantage of their codec), then the Scarlet is not something I can consider.

I have money to spend for a Mac if I wanted to. I just don't want to move to a Mac. I don't like FCP.
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You should be able to transcode to another format that Vegas can edit. My four year old P4 can transcode R3D using Red cine... it's just pretty slow at it.
 
Eugenia said:
I am sorry, but I don't want to move to a Mac. I like Sony Vegas just fine on a PC. If Red can't create tools/codecs that work on Windows via DirectShow or something (so most NLEs can take advantage of their codec), then the Scarlet is not something I can consider.

I have money to spend for a Mac if I wanted to. I just don't want to move to a Mac. I don't like FCP.
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Can Vegas handle larger then 1080p footage though? I am not pushing Mac on you I know there is a ton of work going into the Adobe lineup with Premier and after effects.

The only thing you might have to do is invest in the adobe premier as I think more focus will be placed on industry standard tools.
 
Folks with the P2 MXF files had similar workflow problems as RAW from Red is going thru at the moment. Now there are plug-ins as well as NLEs that fully integrate MXF.
I am sure Red will work closely with the software companies and by next year most of the issues of workflow will be resolved. As far as hardware, PCs work as well as Macs for video editing. Also speed and power are improved constantly. By next year we will see more powerful computers up to the task of working with the new digital video requirements and hopefully very affordable.
 
Joseph Hutson said:
No that means you will be getting the workstation more and more professionals are moving to everyday.
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They just seem so over priced and not worth what you get, anyway what would the specs on the mac have to be to handle this type of work? Could it be one of the mobile versions (mac books/mac book pros). I'm definitely NOT considering buying one but I would like to know.
 
You have to follow the Red One info on the subject somewhere in the other Red forums to get and idea. Scarlet will use the same RAW workflow although it will also have RGB recording capabilities, maybe needing less computing power for that, I dunno.
 
John Caballero said:
You have to follow the Red One info on the subject somewhere in the other Red forums to get and idea. Scarlet will use the same RAW workflow although it will also have RGB recording capabilities, maybe needing less computing power for that, I dunno.
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Ok, Ill check that out in a bit. Thanks
 
RicanJoe said:
They just seem so over priced and not worth what you get, anyway what would the specs on the mac have to be to handle this type of work? Could it be one of the mobile versions (mac books/mac book pros). I'm definitely NOT considering buying one but I would like to know.
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I use a MacBook Pro 17" with a 2.16 GhZ Intel Duo processor, 2 GB Ram, 120 GB HD. I use a 1TB MyBook Pro, and I can handle 1080i perfectly fine.

I will have to go to FCS3 for the Scarlet, but will not be using a different computer.

I LOVE macs, and would say. The price might be more than a PC, but as they say..."You get what you pay for."
 
What some people may not know is that when you open up a PC and Mac their guts are basically identical. Motherboard, processors, ram, video cards, hard drives Cd and DVD drives, etc, etc, etc, etc. Those items inside both of them might even come from the same factory. The same goes within the PC brands themselves. They all use the same technology inside no matter which brand name.
Since about 1998 I started putting together my own computers and I can tell you that to me it makes all the difference in the world. I can upgrade them as I wish, fix them if something goes wrong and get a great sense of achievement when I see them doing what they are supposed to do, be it word processing, photo work or video editing. I get my parts from the computer fairs at York College in Jamaica, Queens or the Ramada Inn one at JFK. I can get the latest there at less cost than anywhere else. Creating my own computers, (I have four at the moment), and taking care of them is an exciting extension of the creative satisfaction I get from the professional photography and video work I do.
 
combatentropy said:
When will they have a workflow for Ubuntu? ;)

Seriously, though, Red, for software development you might check out AIR -- write for PC, Mac, and Linux all at once.
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What we need first is a good mid range NLE like Premiere or something (I'm sorry to say that Autodesk Smoke is a little out of my price range). Until something like that comes out, it looks like this computer is mainly going to be just transcoding my REDCODE files and dumping them on a network hard drive or RAID.

As for AIR, that would not be an ideal solution at all - you could not get anywhere near the performance you need. Air is basically a wrapper for Flash that lets you have a little more control (file and database access). There are much better ways of writing cross platform software.
 
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