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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

any ADOBE/RED news? please?

Nothing really - at least thats my take on it - it seems much of what is "new" at adobe is the promise of things to come. Perhaps the only thing I caught at the booth was them wanting to work on a raw video file standard. I guess they are trying to make it so the workflow becomes easier between all the products. Amazing products though.
 
Jim stated earlier that the Announcement concerning Adobe by Red would not take place until well after NAB when build 16 is finished and the SDK is ready. Well after doesn't mean 5 minutes either.
 
Just have to be patient for a little while more. Adobe is making the right moves. The general "Windows" based post production devlopers mood is one of anticipation and frustration until the SDK is released. Just like us. hehehe.

btw, unlike the view of armchair whiners in other sections, I think Scarlet is going be be huge. I'm also sure it will open up a new market for companies like Letus, Cinevate, P+S Teknik and Red Rock. So, no worries. The thought of a 3K prosumer camera is mind boggling in a good way.
 
It's too bad that the PC workflow is in this current state. It's the reason our shop bought 2 more pwrmacs :angry03: Oh well, what I am really hoping for is an Adobe workflow either on PC or pwrmac. FCP to me cannot compare to the Adobe suite. In my lowly opinion...
 
Hi,

The problem is that they (RED), in the beginning, made exclusive deals with companies that in return agreed to create support for them.

A bird whispered to me that it's not so much Assimilate causing the problem anymore as it's more Apple, which kind of make sense, they probably want to release redcode nativity in Color before RED is allowed to open up redcode for everybody to joyce.

As soon as that happens it will be a matter of days. They're all more or less prepared sitting and waiting for it. Adobe, Iridas, Baselight etc

My 2 cents


Fredrik
 
weirdcrew said:
Hi,

The problem is that they (RED), in the beginning, made exclusive deals with companies that in return agreed to create support for them.

A bird whispered to me that it's not so much Assimilate causing the problem anymore as it's more Apple, which kind of make sense, they probably want to release redcode nativity in Color before RED is allowed to open up redcode for everybody to joyce.

As soon as that happens it will be a matter of days. They're all more or less prepared sitting and waiting for it. Adobe, Iridas, Baselight etc

My 2 cents


Fredrik
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Good point. But...OpenExr is our friend and RedCine outputs OpenExr. PITA I know, but better than nothing, supports HDRI, 16 and 32bit per channel float, Nvidias' Gamer and Quadro cards offer hardware support... and smaller file size than DPX.
I'll try to find that link for the guy selling an AE CS3 plug in that offers complete support for OpenExr, including seperating EXR layers into AE layers.
Until things get better, we'll just have to be creative.
 
Jay A. Kelley said:
I'm sorry, but it would seem a PC workflow is still a ways off for most people.

Perhaps we can hope and pray something comes from the party tonight.

Jay
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Hey Jay,

Would have been nice to meet you at NAB! Sorry I didn't see you on the floor somewhere...

But more to the point - this statement is just wrong, man.

Be really clear on what you're saying. And I think what you're really saying is:

"I'm sorry, but it would seem a native R3D workflow for Premiere through Cineform is still a ways off."

Because there are a lot of really good PC workflows. At NAB, we showed a great Avid workflow involving exporting an ALE from SCRATCH and laying off either to tape or directly to a Mojo DNX. All metadata comes across, Avid happy.

You like Premiere as your primary tool. You want native R3D support for Premiere via Cineform. And that's cool. But don't paint all PC workflows with the same brush.

Lucas
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assimilate, inc.
LA, CA, USA
 
Perhaps Jay is referring to an option below $10K, or even 5K?.............
 
Fingers crossed over here too for a Premiere solution. I for one don't care if it is CineForm or not. I would prefer a native .r3d solution for Premiere, AE and Photoshop to anything offered, but that is just based upon my lack of desire to learn a new NLE.

Lucas, I wish I had time to see the ALE from SCRATCH demo, but I only had one day at the show and too much to see, can you demo this combination in LA?
 
There was a working Premiere workflow over at cineform....
Redcode Raw(r3d)>cineform raw.....in premiere....in raw....4k scaled.

I talked with David Newman about this....he's just waiting for the OK from red to release it.....but it is ready and waiting.
 
There was a working Premiere workflow over at cineform....
Redcode Raw(r3d)>cineform raw.....in premiere....in raw....4k scaled.

I talked with David Newman about this....he's just waiting for the OK from red to release it.....but it is ready and waiting.
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Yes, I saw that same demo from Mr. Newman. Kind of gave that same "The future is here" feeling that RED gives. I really like what CINEFORM does and hope RED grants them a blessing before I've purchased my RED.
 
From your mouth to God's ears...

From your mouth to God's ears...

From your mouth to God's ears...

Or, more specifically, Jim's. :biggrin:

Keith
 
I spoke with one of the software testers from Adobe. He said Adobe has a Red One and they have begun testing with it.

-Thor
 
Thor Wixom said:
I spoke with one of the software testers from Adobe. He said Adobe has a Red One and they have begun testing with it.

-Thor
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How true is that? :biggrin: It would be great if this were the case, it would make me happy. So is this scheduled for CS4 which could be a year or 2 away from now, cause as soon as the Red SDK is released we should have a working PC solution with Cineform here and now.

Awesome stuff. :sorcerer:
 
luki said:
Hey Jay,

Would have been nice to meet you at NAB! Sorry I didn't see you on the floor somewhere...

But more to the point - this statement is just wrong, man.

Be really clear on what you're saying. And I think what you're really saying is:

"I'm sorry, but it would seem a native R3D workflow for Premiere through Cineform is still a ways off."

Because there are a lot of really good PC workflows. At NAB, we showed a great Avid workflow involving exporting an ALE from SCRATCH and laying off either to tape or directly to a Mojo DNX. All metadata comes across, Avid happy.

You like Premiere as your primary tool. You want native R3D support for Premiere via Cineform. And that's cool. But don't paint all PC workflows with the same brush.

Lucas
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assimilate, inc.
LA, CA, USA
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Luki,

So you know, I am not going to debate this subject with you anymore. This horse has been beaten to death, and I would like to think we both have better things to do.

I have been asking for the same thing for a year, I think it's safe to say most people know what I, and many others are waiting for. I KNOW Jim knows, and that's all that matters.

You can push your post workflow, and I will continue to ask for mine. I think that's fair.

But argureing over this issue has gone as far as it needs too, at least for me.

If I am right, we have Cineform (Someday) and we all win, If I am wrong we have native support with R3d, and we all win.

Either way, we all win. It's just a matter of when!

Jay
 
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