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Ralph Oshiro

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Sorry if this topic has already been discussed, but you can't just search for "3D."

1. Anyone tried this yet? Wasn't Gibby or Sharkguy going to do this?
2. Any image synch issues for stereo shooting with two RED bodies?
3. RED ONE cameras are jam-sync-able, right?
4. Any threads that anyone can point me to which have already discussed these topics?

Thanks!
 
Ralph, long time no see! Glad to see you re-surface.

1. Yes, they did it. As well as several others. Red #27 was nearly an A-cam on a 3d shoot that fell through due to some unknown competitor in Burbank stealing my gig :-).
2,3,4. Sorry, don't know.
 
Ralph Oshiro said:
Sorry if this topic has already been discussed, but you can't just search for "3D."
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Excellent point.

Jarred, on a website built for a three-letter product name, it would be great if we could search for a string less than 4 letters. That's an admin setting on most message boards, isn't it?
 
Just about any camera could be made into a 3D system in theory. RED would be a nice candidate because it's very high resolution. I could see possible issues syncing shutter but I suspect it's close enough to work with some post-finessing if needed.

Noah
 
For an interesting article on point, see this month's HD magazine on a special 3D custom camera. Developing the hardware didn't seem to be the big problem (they used a single camera, not two ganged together), it was developing the software to interlace the images that the author says is crucial.
 
Geoff Boyle just shot a 3D movie ("Dark Country") on Si-2K and Red 3D (dual camera) rigs.

Either check out cinematography.net or google Boyle/Dark Country and you should find plenty of info on it.

Of course, CML is Geoff's baby, so you can ask him direct questions there as well...
 
Shawn Nelson said:
Ralph, long time no see! Glad to see you re-surface.
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Yes, thanks, Shawn!

NoahK said:
Just about any camera could be made into a 3D system in theory. RED would be a nice candidate because it's very high resolution. I could see possible issues syncing shutter but I suspect it's close enough to work with some post-finessing if needed.
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Yes, thanks, Noah. It's the shutter synching I was concerned about. It appears we have some client interest in a 3D RED set-up. I have zero knowledge about 3D. I thought it required special software or something?

Dominic Jones said:
Geoff Boyle just shot a 3D movie ("Dark Country") on Si-2K and Red 3D (dual camera) rigs.

Either check out cinematography.net or google Boyle/Dark Country and you should find plenty of info on it.

Of course, CML is Geoff's baby, so you can ask him direct questions there as well...
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Good to know! Thanks!
 
Ralph Oshiro said:
It appears we have some client interest in a 3D RED set-up. I have zero knowledge about 3D.
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Talk to the guys at Paradise FX - they are probably the most knowledgeable people in the stereoscopy universe at the moment, and created the Red 3D rig for DC - they'll get you sorted in no time!

Be good to hear what they say, if you do talk to them and get a moment to post up the gist of what was said...
 
Dominic Jones said:
Talk to the guys at Paradise FX - they are probably the most knowledgeable people in the stereoscopy universe at the moment, and created the Red 3D rig for DC - they'll get you sorted in no time!

Be good to hear what they say, if you do talk to them and get a moment to post up the gist of what was said...
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Great! Thanks! Yes, they're right here in L.A.(Van Nuys)! Thanks a lot for pointing me in the right direction! Will certainly share my experience with them if it happens!
 
Dominic Jones said:
Talk to the guys at Paradise FX - they are probably the most knowledgeable people in the stereoscopy universe at the moment, and created the Red 3D rig for DC - they'll get you sorted in no time!

Be good to hear what they say, if you do talk to them and get a moment to post up the gist of what was said...
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Funny you should mention this,

I just posted on the RED Indie Films section, that #851 & #852 are to be set up on a 3D rig at Paradise.FX for the shooting of Lionsgate 10-12Mil. Feature "My Bloody Valentine".

The rig is massive, and have two RED's each, positioned like an L shape.

Can't wait to see that footage.

Ciao
 
from what i understand, the REDs are too big to put parralel, so putting them in a L-configuration with the use of mirrors is the way to go.

i am betting scarlet will become a 3D camera in an awful hurry, as they should be small enough to mount side by side. i guess it all depends what lenses you can put on the scarlet.
 
KETCH ROSSI said:
Funny you should mention this,

I just posted on the RED Indie Films section, that #851 & #852 are to be set up on a 3D rig at Paradise.FX for the shooting of Lionsgate 10-12Mil. Feature "My Bloody Valentine".

The rig is massive, and have two RED's each, positioned like an L shape.

Can't wait to see that footage.

Ciao
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Wow! Impressive! I live real close to Lionsgate. Great client!
 
Is there nobody around who has experience concerning DOF and special lightenings for 3D? The problems in 3D are that you need more lights then normally, 3D is not working well in darknesses (your brain cannot fuse the 3D informations so well ) , also a shallow DOF is not good in 3D, so the lens aperture will have to be more closed.
The main problem I do not see so much in the rigging but in the lightning.

Ah, as I'm hear, can anybody indicate me if there is a possibility to do horizontal lens-shifts with a PL mount? Apparently it would give better 3D pictures when using lens-shitting instead of converting the lens axes.
Thanks
 
KETCH ROSSI said:
Every one there is great and as I'm about to tackle a multimillion dollar project of some serious scale, this guys made me fill that I had all the support I could ever need.
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Ketch: Just curious what lens system you are planning to use with the 3D rig. I thought perhaps that the 35mm Nikkors might make sense for their smaller form factor. Did you go with PL-mount lenses, RED lenses, or Nikkors?
 
I post this several time.
If you shooting far distance more than 5 m, two red on a paralel rick works fine. Everything else need smaller cams or a beamspliiter rick.
In fact Real3D I think the most poular 3D system for installed in the US 3D cinemas not support 4K and I think not in the close future.
So maybe Scarlet will be the better choise for 3D because of its size.

About the DOF.

3D lives from sharp pictures in front and in infinity. This means 35mm is not thre best or you have to stop down you lense.
In additional this means you need an other light setting.
You need the light not only to compensate the lower stop. you simple need it to have enough light in front and background.
This is the reason real 3D shooting normaly was a landscape or in the other side macro shooting.
There is a lot of work for the directors for 3D shooting, and I think not alot of pepole have really the expericance at the moment.
In additional it means, its not quite simple to shoot the same film for 3D and for normal 2D cinema.
3D limits you set in so many way, and it becomes worseif you want to have something floating in the air before the screen, and thats waht the people wants. its easy to get in CA but its quite difficult to do this in a movie keeping a cinema style and not just copy i-max style.
 
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